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    Know Your Enemy

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    Well written. Thanks for posting.
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    That's probably the most concise, well written article on the Progressive that I've ever read. The points about Bloomberg are great. To brush him away as an annoying gnat and ignore his real agenda is a big mistake.

    Is there any doubt what Pelosi and Obama are really up to?

    Thanks for posting that! The next election is going to be SO important. I don't think it's being overly dramatic to say that if Conservatives (and moderates for that matter) don't take back the Senate and keep the majority in the House...we'll be forever changed as a country. And not in a good way.
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    It is a well written articel. And I agre with some of it. The issue I have with the article is that it tries to reinforce a stereotyp of what a right wing minded person thinks a Progressive is. The author tries to define a Progressive instead of supporting the current definitions of a Progressive. I think the eassay would have been better served if he distiguished between a "Progessive" and those that try to go beyond what most "progressives" consider progressive.

    Here is a good article on what a Progressive is......and I picked this from a source that many here would respect, though I would never use it as an unbiased news source:

    Politics101: What is a Progressive? What is progressivism? - Madison Political Buzz | Examiner.com

    I do not like the way the comparisn is made about Nazi Germany, China, and the old Soviet Union. That is a way of very slectively using a few things that happened in those countries (such as gun consification) and tieing those actions to a Progressive. I would hardly call any of these regimes progressive, nor would I consider the start of these regimes as a progressive movement in the sense that it is defined by other peolple than the author.

    One can write an essay on "Conservatives" and try to redifne what a Conservative is by using example and exhagarations of self claimed Conservatives that were not ver good ideas or trashed our rights....Patriot Act comes to mind.

    But agian, I think the author tries to redefine the defintion of what a Progressive is instead of using the current defintion.

    BTW: before the flames come my way. I am a sefl professed libertarian with what some might call "progressive" views. Being against Monsanto and large corporations and being a self professed tree hugger does not make me a bad person. I also think there should be no gun laws which is much more of a libertarian/Constituionilist view than many on this forum
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    I think the author is pointing out that Progressives start out one thing and end up in a very different place. A Progressive progression so to speak. Hitler didn't start out on day one as a dictator...it was a progession of events that led up to the Nazi Party.

    From the article:

    "Once the Progressive is permitted to intrude however slightly into matters that are properly beyond the sphere of government, then all aspects of the individual’s life may be subjected to control. Once any degree of coercion is permitted, then no level of force is out of bounds."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I think the author is pointing out that Progressives start out one thing and end up in a very different place. A Progressive progression so to speak. Hitler didn't start out on day one as a dictator...it was a progession of events that led up to the Nazi Party.

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    "Once the Progressive is permitted to intrude however slightly into matters that are properly beyond the sphere of government, then all aspects of the individual’s life may be subjected to control. Once any degree of coercion is permitted, then no level of force is out of bounds."
    Yes, I understood that. The issue for me is that happens to the left, right, "progressive", socialist, anarchaist, what have you. It is not a pedisposition which is soley a "progressive" prediliction. The author states a premise, uses information to support his premise, and comes to a conclusion..Good article. I just have problems that the essay may imply to readers that only "Progressives" can have countries end up like the ones he mentioned and also he redifnes (or so seems to me) what a progressive is. Bloomberg is a Progressive idiot LOL.....You can be a Progressive and not have a prediliction for tryanny.
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    Good read... thanks for the post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Yes, I understood that. The issue for me is that happens to the left, right, "progressive", socialist, anarchaist, what have you. It is not a pedisposition which is soley a "progressive" prediliction. The author states a premise, uses information to support his premise, and comes to a conclusion..Good article. I just have problems that the essay may imply to readers that only "Progressives" can have countries end up like the ones he mentioned and also he redifnes (or so seems to me) what a progressive is. Bloomberg is a Progressive idiot LOL.....You can be a Progressive and not have a prediliction for tryanny.
    Suntzu - I agree there are other ways to get to that same end, but I do think that the ultimate goal of the progressive movement - from Teddy Roosevelt on down, yes Teddy - was to have a much larger government, a government that made quality of life decisions for people and that ultimately forces people to do as they say. We are not there yet, but if you look at the writings of the progressive leaning and supporting organizations, they clearly support this end and they have a plan to get there. It is a slow process, but it is outlined.

    I think the article did a good job of discerning between the goofy policies and those that are more serious. It also, however, showed the connection from the goofy to the serious.

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    One can write an essay on "Conservatives" and try to redifne what a Conservative is by using example and exhagarations of self claimed Conservatives that were not ver good ideas or trashed our rights....Patriot Act comes to mind.

    I would be interested in your essay. It would be instructive to see how a thinking liberal views conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    Suntzu - I agree there are other ways to get to that same end, but I do think that the ultimate goal of the progressive movement - from Teddy Roosevelt on down, yes Teddy - was to have a much larger government, a government that made quality of life decisions for people and that ultimately forces people to do as they say. We are not there yet, but if you look at the writings of the progressive leaning and supporting organizations, they clearly support this end and they have a plan to get there. It is a slow process, but it is outlined.

    I think the article did a good job of discerning between the goofy policies and those that are more serious. It also, however, showed the connection from the goofy to the serious.




    I would be interested in your essay. It would be instructive to see how a thinking liberal views conservatives.
    Well, then you will just have to go find yourself one LOL........I am by far not a liberal, nor a conservative by the stereotype definitions. I am a Liberatarian that leans toward an anarchist side If you need one maybe I can find one for ya.......

    BTW: I might just write an essay....I actually I have some somewhere. Probably next to my manifesto I have written many essays for college and my degrees over the years. (I still go...can't ever be to old!)
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