Fascinating legal issue; Texas man shoots escort

Fascinating legal issue; Texas man shoots escort

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    Fascinating legal issue; Texas man shoots escort

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    If you cut through the obviously biased reporting... it's a fascinating legal quandary...

    Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

    The law allows for use of deadly force to prevent theft.
    It was an illegal transaction in the first place. (Though I, for one, say legalize and tax it.)
    The transaction was money for sex... which clearly crosses a boundary in that the shooter can't use deadly force to make her have sex with him.
    But assume the transaction were legal... then it's a matter of her stealing his $150, which I guess makes it ok to use deadly force (according to the law) unless she has sex with him?

    Edit: FYI, regardless, I can't say a life is worth $150. But it's a question of legality.
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    Paying for sex....Wrong

    Legalizing the oldest profession in the world.....Wrong

    Shooting her if she doesnt do the deed....Priceless
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    Not sure if serious ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    Not sure if serious ....
    A texan I'm sure will chime in and tell us... would that actually be considered legal? I mean, it seems ridiculous right? I can't think how this could be a viable defense.

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    The jury blew that one. It was not "theft", it was fraud. No idea why the prosecutor did not make that argument. TX does not allow deadly force to prevent a fraud. If I offer to do a remodel on your house and don't do it, it is not theft, but fraud. The same applied here. She was paid for services she did not complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    The jury blew that one. It was not "theft", it was fraud. No idea why the prosecutor did not make that argument. TX does not allow deadly force to prevent a fraud. If I offer to do a remodel on your house and don't do it, it is not theft, but fraud. The same applied here. She was paid for services she did not complete.
    Thanks for that interpretation. Good point.

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    Disgusting. A woman is dead because a man wants to pay for sex (illegal), she does not perform her expected duties (which would be illegal), she keeps the money (fraud/theft), and he shoots her over 150.00.

    Does that sum it up?
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    What would be the difference if a guy went to buy cocaine but the dealer gave him baking soda instead and kept the money. The guy shoots the dealer.

    Same thing..right?
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    The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty" verdict was read by the judge.
    This guy must have had Johnnie Cochran reincarnated.

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    Not that this is right on any level but why didn't he just take his money back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    This guy must have had Johnnie Cochran reincarnated.
    If the rubber don't fit you must acquit...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Paying for sex....Wrong

    Legalizing the oldest profession in the world.....Wrong

    Shooting her if she doesnt do the deed....Priceless
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    Man Shoots Escort after she "robs" him - Aquitted in TX

    A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

    Gilbert had admitted to shooting Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve 2009, when she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

    Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."
    http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-...have-511636423

    --- Not sure if this is a repost or not but I found this case interesting. I personally wouldn't shoot over theft of property (or be involved with an escort) but nonetheless, it appears his actions were within the law of TX.
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    Oops, typo in thread title.

    This makes me wonder what kind of doors this could open. I admittedly know nothing about TX law. The guy was apparently engaged in illegal activity (prostitution), so would this make it okay for a junkie to shoot a drug dealer if they get " ripped off"(at night)?
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