Cell phone terminations

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    Cell phone terminations

    Just thinking out loud and wondering what ramifications may be forthcoming to cell phone operators. Say I want to terminate my contract with Verizon due to the collection of my calling habits. I'm sure many are considering doing so and just wondering if they have a leg to stand on and how that could impact the cell industry and the major players.

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    Just so you know, it's been confirmed that it wasn't just Verizon, it was all cellular companies. So, unless you're willing to give up your cellphone entirely, no reason to worry about it.

    And it's been going on for at least 7 years. I'm not saying that's a reason to not worry about it or accept it, but it's been going on and will continue to.
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    It is being said that all the phone companies are giving up info, also the internet as well. You would have to go completely off grid to avoid this invasion . This is very distubing to me but i don't know what to do other then trying to work to get the patriot act removed as a method of investigation .
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    Just cut back on your calls to Pakistan and you'll be okay.
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    You could look at it as an opportunity to have someone over on a slow night. Just say "the bomb is ready" and you'll have plenty of company shortly.
    I can see both sides of this issue; while I cringe at the thought of this sort of intrusion into my privacy I don't generally do anything or talk about things that would set the program "off" so I'm not particularly worried about them knowing that my wife called and asked me to grab a loaf of bread on the way home. Bottom line is they are going to do it anyway, all venues are scrutinized, and there is a need for the information they are looking for. This is a case where Need justifies the means IMO.
    We need to sometimes take a step back and remember the rage we felt on 9/11, the "war on Terrorism" is still being waged and our side has to evolve and change the way it is being fought as new technology becomes available to the other side.
    What happened in Boston is an good example of the need.... give me an example of how you could be hurt for them using a program to scan the internet and the airwaves for "key " words that might point to a conversation about a terrorist act. The recent scandals with the IRS and the FBI are good examples of how information can be misused but I don't see a correlation between those examples and this issue. They were actually seeking information on particular individuals this issue is about broad snooping for a real purpose that has potential life saving benefits, using a computer program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Just cut back on your calls to Pakistan and you'll be okay.
    All you have to do is say Pakistan .....Oh crap i'm next

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    Quote Originally Posted by latentcarry View Post
    The recent scandals with the IRS and the FBI are good examples of how information can be misused but I don't see a correlation between those examples and this issue.
    There's a very important correlation. Data in the hands of the government can and will be abused for political purposes by those in power. It's great if they can find out that someone is conspiring with terrorists, the problem is that a politician might just have someone sneak a peek and see if his opponent (or his supporters) maybe called the police, or someone who was in legal trouble, or someone who's been recently demonized in the press, or a sex toy shop... Then that information might somehow just accidentally get leaked to the press...

    It shouldn't happen - we should be able to trust the integrity of our institutions. But if we could, the IRS wouldn't be targeting certain groups and individuals, or giving their information to opposing activist groups. Like all of us, I want terror plots to be stopped, but the corruption of government is just as much of a threat to our way of life as terrorism is.
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    I'm pretty sure terrorists know which words are red flagged and avoid using them on the phone. Probably everything is coded so it sounds like normal, boring, tourist talk.

    I'm not sure the "intelligence" gathering is worth the loss of privacy or possible misuse of information (like the IRS has been caught doing).
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    I thought about dropping Verizon, for a minute, but it doesn't really seem like they are to blame. Quitting funding one cell company won't hurt the government any. I don't think I am willing to go completely off the phone/internet grid (except maybe for unrelated medical/financial reasons) so I don't know what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by latentcarry View Post
    You could look at it as an opportunity to have someone over on a slow night. Just say "the bomb is ready" and you'll have plenty of company shortly.
    I can see both sides of this issue; while I cringe at the thought of this sort of intrusion into my privacy I don't generally do anything or talk about things that would set the program "off" so I'm not particularly worried about them knowing that my wife called and asked me to grab a loaf of bread on the way home. Bottom line is they are going to do it anyway, all venues are scrutinized, and there is a need for the information they are looking for. This is a case where Need justifies the means IMO.
    We need to sometimes take a step back and remember the rage we felt on 9/11, the "war on Terrorism" is still being waged and our side has to evolve and change the way it is being fought as new technology becomes available to the other side.
    What happened in Boston is an good example of the need.... give me an example of how you could be hurt for them using a program to scan the internet and the airwaves for "key " words that might point to a conversation about a terrorist act. The recent scandals with the IRS and the FBI are good examples of how information can be misused but I don't see a correlation between those examples and this issue. They were actually seeking information on particular individuals this issue is about broad snooping for a real purpose that has potential life saving benefits, using a computer program.
    Sorry, but I have to totally disagree.

    If all of this surveillance was so helpful, then why in the hell didn't it STOP the Boston bombings?

    As for catching the bad guys? It wasn't city, state, or federal surveillance. It was private businesses that had cameras outside their stores!

    Did the police catch the guy? Hell no - it was a guy who went outside to smoke a freaking cigarette!

    People need to wake up.

    They're not trying to prevent muslim extremist terrorist attacks! They're not watching the muslim brotherhood. Hell, Obama's inviting terrorists to the freaking White House!

    Hell, Obama and his mullahs are sucking up to the muslim terrorists.

    God help us.
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    I am about to switch TO verizon. Been a T-Mobile customer for over a decade & their customer service has SUCKED for about 4 years. Used to be amazing.

    June 13 my contract expires & I can not wait to be rid of T-Mobile.

    Verizon carries my work phone and their service has been light-years ahead of T-Mobile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Sorry, but I have to totally disagree.

    If all of this surveillance was so helpful, then why in the hell didn't it STOP the Boston bombings?

    As for catching the bad guys? It wasn't city, state, or federal surveillance. It was private businesses that had cameras outside their stores!

    Did the police catch the guy? Hell no - it was a guy who went outside to smoke a freaking cigarette!

    People need to wake up.

    They're not trying to prevent muslim extremist terrorist attacks! They're not watching the muslim brotherhood. Hell, Obama's inviting terrorists to the freaking White House!

    Hell, Obama and his mullahs are sucking up to the muslim terrorists.

    God help us.
    Like I said: can see it both ways and fence sitting is my specialty. I agree about the Boston Bombings but then would we know of the ones were stopped or the ones that happened? I doubt that they would advertise their ability to stop an attack by telling how they got the info.

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    Do we really believe that terrorists will go out and get a contract phone thru any carrier??? They are not using contract phones, they are using drop phones. Prepaid, no name, no record, no nothing...IMO the government is using this to spy on the citizens and using terrorism as the excuse....
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanadon View Post
    Just so you know, it's been confirmed that it wasn't just Verizon, it was all cellular companies. So, unless you're willing to give up your cellphone entirely, no reason to worry about it.

    And it's been going on for at least 7 years. I'm not saying that's a reason to not worry about it or accept it, but it's been going on and will continue to.
    What cellphone? I don't own one. Never have, never will. Of course, they can tap my regular phone or get records of numbers I've called...
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