Have The American People Grown Sheepish?

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    Have The American People Grown Sheepish?

    (Sorry, it's long.)

    I get disappointed a lot lately because I read of things happening, especially from the government, that I'm sure will produce widespread protests and such a degree of expressed disagreement from the whole country that will force the powers-that-be to change their ways. But I hear wimpers.

    One example was the recent news that the NSA collects this astounding mass of data on us - and until they were exposed - did it in secret. I mean if the majority want that then, well fine, but it's proposed, reactions are known, and based on that a decision is made. We are, after all, a Republic and democratic. But behind our backs? I don't like that! But while there was a lot of press and some very strong comment I also saw many polls that most people don't care. I can see being strongly expressive either way, but how can our people by half just not care?

    Another is our politicians, and the ego and lack of movement to get crucial laws formed or voted down or crisis situations met. And I've voted Democrat many times (less lately) but I have never lived under a more namby-pamby, lack of principled-stands and less courageous man than this president. But I see no widespread protests or those who do nothing for The People even voted out.

    Where are we?

    A huge one for me is the lack of screaming protests on the streets for the way corporations get fat while not employing Americans and generally we seem to be very mousey as the whole middle class loses their economic base in family income - while the top makes a fortune, and the weak and tepid response of Gov. to Banks fleecing us all during the financial and housing crisis, but then lending them huge sums of tax money because they are "too big to fail" - and the Gov. just watching passively as they go back to screwing us all once they're "bailed out". But we just let these things happen. I would expect mass protests, mass lawsuits - a din of rage filling the ears of these crooks.

    And there's much more.

    Of course all of the above reflects my own opinions which many don't share. But that MANY DON'T CARE, or do anything no matter what their opinion is, or that they have no opinion for so many important things..... I just don't know.

    Perhaps I'm too much a member of the 60's generation, which certainly had its faults, but we were a noisy group and made the powers-that-be listen and change some things - no matter whether people think they were good or bad. We were PRESENT.

    Our forefathers were very PRESENT, especially to England, we were founded to let great power know we would not be quiet, we would be noisy and much more, we would not allow ourselves to be powerless. So, dunno if all of this is just me, but I feel as a people our muscle tone has become flaccid and we allow too many shoe marks on our face as Gov and other clusters of power walk over us. We allow ourselves to be ignored.

    Any thoughts? Is this just me getting cantankerous as I age? (Seriously, I wonder)
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    I grew up in the 60s too and you're right in that the Hippies were politically active and got some major stuff done. The main problem with that is after many of them graduated from university most of them became our enemy, yours and mine.

    Like you I'm mad as Hell too. I have a few ideas but can't divulge them in this forum as they would not be allowed.
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    It is the Dumbing Down of America , As long as we can tweet on the Kardashians , Justin Bieber and the likes of other celebs . It really is hard to get a whole nation together to fight for one cause . Most of the time if a persons "world is right" then that is all that is important . I see so many things (too many to list here) that are wrong . Alot of it comes from GREED pure and simple . I think the government shows the most greed and they try to disguise it to look like they want to help us. The helpless American Sheep that keep falling for the lies.
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    I suspect throughout history, the average person goes along to get along. I don’t believe most Germans were Nazis. I don’t believe if there were a face-book poll in 1776, there would have been a revolution. I am not sure if there were a face-book poll in the North after the South seceded, they would have voted to go to war to save the union. The few good or bad leaders made the decisions against the odds and led the masses. In today’s instant society, true leaders want nothing to do with the television and internet popularity polls that get people elected to political office. The faith in Congress gets lower every day, but the local people reelect their own Senator or Representative over and over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by welder516 View Post
    It is the Dumbing Down of America , As long as we can tweet on the Kardashians , Justin Bieber and the likes of other celebs . It really is hard to get a whole nation together to fight for one cause . Most of the time if a persons "world is right" then that is all that is important . I see so many things (too many to list here) that are wrong . Alot of it comes from GREED pure and simple . I think the government shows the most greed and they try to disguise it to look like they want to help us. The helpless American Sheep that keep falling for the lies.
    You're very right and I teach at a University and this present generation of young adults is really frightening: they know nothing of current events, nothing, or our history, even from WWII to now. I tell some who don't even know, for example, what the Zimmerman trial is, or the NSA and that huge story, to read a good newspaper at least 4 times a week. They say it's depressing and run to Facebook every free moment. They never read. They hate History as a discipline --- boring.

    I love students and do these. Don't get me wrong, but I fear for the country, what's started the last decade or so is growing - and out of that ignorance of the major currents in the present and no knowledge of the past, dictatorship grows wild. It feeds on ignorance.

    I tell some students who "are depressed" by news, that they are adults who must prepare to be the next generation of our country's leaders, in all of its many areas, and they have an ethical responsibility to grow up and be accountable. No one has yet been much moved by this, but I will continue to say the same (and likely will get in trouble with my University for "speaking out of area of expertise". Expertise! I'm an American, that's my expertise and care about my country and its future. But I'm tenured, which allows me to speak without retaliation of penalty of firing, just have to keep it casual and not in the classroom. (That is a no-no for good reason)
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    The hippies and their offspring are running the show. What's that say for their ideals? Talk about the ultimate hypocrites.
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    Americans Sheepish!! Ya' think?

    It kind of started when the public schools and universities started brainwashing and indoctrinating students instead of teaching them to actually think. By my estimate around the mid to late seventies when the firsr wave of liberals/socialist/marxists started graduating from college started infiltrating in our education system.
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    I've been saying that for years and years Hodad.
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    "If simple folk are free from care and fear, simple they will be..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The hippies and their offspring are running the show. What's that say for their ideals? Talk about the ultimate hypocrites.
    I believe there is a lot of truth to that. The turmoil in the 1960's (political, civil rights, freedom from things (religion, authority, rules, etc.) led to a lot of changes in the 1970's (more towards the liberal bent) and the 1980's (more conservative). Those changes have polarized us as a nation, with one extreme expecting to be given everything they need (and not necessarily liking competition and accountability) and the other extreme being willing to take whatever they can regardless of the cost to society (loving competition and ignoring accountability). It seems that there used to be many more moderates out there (like I used to be), but ever since the Clinton presidency we have seen a growing divide between the moderates. That divide has been growing at a more rapid pace than ever over the past four years.

    I believe that the side effects of this polarization is the dumbing down of America (as welder516 noted). If you don't feel the need to compete to become better and achieve more, then why bother learning new things and why bother staying current on current events? That time could be spent watching a reality show, hanging out on Facebook, or just playing some type of game. Besides, mainstream media will give me everything I need to know in short little soundbites that are easy to digest and regurgitate. That is the part that really scares me.

    Last weekend I was cleaning a bunch of things in the basement and ran across a book that I read a long time ago - "The Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis. It immediately made me think about correlations with society today. The book is about two demons (Screwtape - experienced, and Wormwood - inexperienced). Screwtape talks about "having the advantage of distraction." That is more true today than ever (and far more true than in 1942 when the book was published). The final chapter in the book talks about teachers that don't teach (they are more like nurses for dunces), elimination of the middle class who still has dreams and is willing to work and save to improve, and a form of democracy that "leads to a nation without great men, a nation of subliterates, morally flaccid from lack of discipline in youth, full of cocksureness with flattery breeds on ignorance, and soft from lifelong pampering."

    It's amazing to consider that you can breed out greatness in just a generation or two with something as simple as this as a roadmap...
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    I don't think it's so much that they are depressed as it is that they don't want to put forth any effort. "Depressed" is a convenient excuse for being lazy and disengaged.(Edited to say in this case only. Not that clinically depressed people are lazy or disengaged by any means). Social media is making many of them narcissistic. It's "all about me" with constant FB updates and Instagram pictures. Technology isn't always a positive.

    The thing that gives me hope is that every generation looks at the younger one and despairs. Somehow we manage to go on, survive and excel.

    The Screwtape Letters were published in 1942. The young people of 1942 went on to be considered "The Greatest Generation".

    Usually it's the dummies that get the press and spotlight while the truly brilliant are busy finding cures for Cancer and working on space exploration. Those people are there, they just Keep Calm and Carry On.
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    The young people I know fall into both groups the new "Greatest Generation" often but not exclusively veterans, and "Sheeple". I hope the GG's take the lead but the societal and economic environment is definitely throwing road blocks. However overcoming what's out there is what's made them great thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by welder516 View Post
    It is the Dumbing Down of America , As long as we can tweet on the Kardashians , Justin Bieber and the likes of other celebs . It really is hard to get a whole nation together to fight for one cause . Most of the time if a persons "world is right" then that is all that is important . I see so many things (too many to list here) that are wrong . Alot of it comes from GREED pure and simple . I think the government shows the most greed and they try to disguise it to look like they want to help us. The helpless American Sheep that keep falling for the lies.
    I totally agree. Entertainment is almost like a drug that dulls the senses of the people. Most people seem more concerned with who is going to be "kicked off of the island" than the loss of freedom.
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    Yes. To all the above posts...


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    A partial reason for paralysis on any specific issue is that there doesn't seem to be a solution available. The solution needs to be (a) a true solution and (b) capable of being enacted by politicians and (c) explained easily enough that people can get behind it.
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