GOP-Controlled House Votes to Continue Spy Agency's Collection of American's Data

GOP-Controlled House Votes to Continue Spy Agency's Collection of American's Data

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    GOP-Controlled House Votes to Continue Spy Agency's Collection of American's Data

    House rejects bid to curb spy agency data collection | Reuters

    The House has voted to allow the NSA and others to continue to collect phone and other records at will, with virtually no constraints or controls. Interestingly, the vote split both the Republican and Democrat members of the House about 50-50.

    Those who support allowing the spying to continue say it has already saved "countless" American lives and is actively thwarting terrorist activity today.

    Those who want it stopped say that the benefits are overstated and that the price, the trampling of the U.S. Constitution, is too high.

    What say you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaSig View Post
    House rejects bid to curb spy agency data collection | Reuters

    The House has voted to allow the NSA and others to continue to collect phone and other records at will, with virtually no constraints or controls. Interestingly, the vote split both the Republican and Democrat members of the House about 50-50.

    Those who support allowing the spying to continue say it has already saved "countless" American lives and is actively thwarting terrorist activity today.

    Those who want it stopped say that the benefits are overstated and that the price, the trampling of the U.S. Constitution, is too high.

    What say you?
    It's easy to take credit for nonexistent events. My cat constantly reminds me that since she has come to live here, there have been no burglaries of the house. When I reply that there were no burglaries before she came to live here, she says "Well, you were just lucky."

    I'm concerned about any government agency that apparently has unchecked power.
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    I'm a bit torn on this one, but ultimately I don't trust the government not to abuse this information. Look at what happened with the supposedly neutral IRS.
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    Current members of Congress are not our friends or saviors. Time for them to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Current members of Congress are not our friends or saviors. Time for them to go.
    Sadly, this includes a scary percentage of the GOP.

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    One must balance the minuscule risk of a terrorist attack against the virtual certainty of the government's abuse of civil rights and decide whether freedom is more important than "safety". Besides, all that NSA spying didn't stop the Boston bombing, did it?

    I've made my choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaSig View Post
    Sadly, this includes a scary percentage of the GOP.
    I've yet to see any current politician from either side that truly has the interests of the people's individual liberties in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaSig View Post
    The House has voted to allow the NSA and others to continue to collect phone and other records at will, with virtually no constraints or controls. Interestingly, the vote split both the Republican and Democrat members of the House about 50-50.

    What say you?
    I believe it's unconstitutional, on its face. IMO, the 4A is pretty clear. Fear of potential future lack of aids to investigations that might be needed isn't a good enough reason to spy on all citizens, to my way of thinking. Not by a long shot. Particularly when considered what abuse can come from it, let alone the slippery-slope aspect of teaching these temporarily hired weenies that it's okay to sidestep the Constitution at will by authorizing such stuff.

    I'd be very surprised if there wasn't an energetic effort occurring, right now, to get a handful of people who've been scanned and a handful of people who've been unjustifiably harmed by these scans, as part of a lawsuit that'll go all the way to SCOTUS to challenge the constitutionality. We'll see.

    One would think the ACLU would be all over this.
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    Doing things in the name of "public safety" and "counter-terrorism" is a slipperty slope. Adolf Hitler did the same thing in 1933 when creating a national gun registry all in the name of "public safety". A philosphy I have come to adopt in the wake of our strange political climate is this: If a politician is trying to convince you that you need to give up a certain right/privilige for the "betterment" of mankind, most likely he's full of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by IndianaSig View Post
    House rejects bid to curb spy agency data collection | Reuters

    The House has voted to allow the NSA and others to continue to collect phone and other records at will, with virtually no constraints or controls. Interestingly, the vote split both the Republican and Democrat members of the House about 50-50.

    Those who support allowing the spying to continue say it has already saved "countless" American lives and is actively thwarting terrorist activity today.

    Those who want it stopped say that the benefits are overstated and that the price, the trampling of the U.S. Constitution, is too high.

    What say you?
    Last edited by Linny; July 25th, 2013 at 02:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    One would think the ACLU would be all over this.
    The ACLU takes on only what benefits the ACLU, either financially or public relation-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    One would think the ACLU would be all over this.
    They are...

    How the NSA's Surveillance Procedures Threaten Americans' Privacy | American Civil Liberties Union
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    ...

    One would think the ACLU would be all over this....
    There ya go, thinkin' again...

    No (further) oppression of the poor. They can't/don't communicate or plan on the scale of those with even a little bit o' money behind them... And who, predominately, are the poor...? They're quite happy to pay $150+- a month for cable on their big screen and go pull the D lever at the polls...

    And the elites... well they're mostly Rs, in nature if not in party affiliation.

    And any D or R currently in office is an elite... they've already become "made guys." To those people, we are just the rabble. Let us eat cake.

    There is nothing new under the sun... We are Les Miserables.

    Those who remain, and are able to reason, can see what is happening, and rightfully fear it. Those folk are increasingly rare, and there are not enough of those to actually plan offensive action to restore the republic... but just in case... they (the elites) want to keep the surveillance in place... And in the mean time, if they stop an outside threat (manufactured or real) they can point to it and show how well we decided to trade our liberties for securities.

    It really is like the Matrix (the original, not the sequels) in a way... they are sucking the lifeblood out of all of us... and leading us to believe everything is fine, just fine... Isn't it just awesome to watch football on that wide screen? And How about that Duck Dynasty, and Swamp People! Bachelor and Bachelorette? AFV! Survivor!
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    They're watching it, sure... But they are more active in keeping us divided over "racial profiling." Follow the money... they are getting more money fighting civil rights issues based on race than based on constitutional issues.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    They're watching it, sure... But they are more active in keeping us divided over "racial profiling." Follow the money... they are getting more money fighting civil rights issues based on race than based on constitutional issues.
    ACLU Files Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality of NSA Phone Spying Program | American Civil Liberties Union
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