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    State of Jefferson

    The guys up north are at it again! They have voted to suceed from california again. Im firmly behind them, I think the only real fix for this state is to break it up into states that share some common intrest.
    This is the third real try to seperate. in 1941 it passed by a vote of the people and was just waiting for congressional approval when the Jappanese attacked Pearl harbor. The idea was dropped in favor of more pressing needs.
    In 1984 it was tried again and lost by less than 300 votes.

    This time with the southern end of the state is wanting to tear down dams, gut their gun laws, force them to use lead free ammo, outlaw bear hunting, and build water tunnels to steal ther water. they again have a good chance to make it work.

    A State of Jefferson revival? | MailTribune.com
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    The article mentions Northern California and Southern Oregon makes me wonder with the split between Northern and Southern Nevada if this could be a pretty big state?

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    It would be a good move for the northern CA folks.
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    To keep the thread self-defensive related, the Counties of the proposed Jefferson State area in CA are very pro-2a, and issue CCWs. Not sure about Southern Oregon. My county is farther south than they claim, but should join. Once you get South past the Siskyou mountains, the state tends to politically divide by East Vs. West.

    Jefferson - The 51st State - Northern California / Southern Oregon - A State of Mind
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    Why are they using Jefferson as the name? If memory serves that was to be the name of the eastern TN area when it was going to be a different state.

    I'm opposed simply because a flag with 51 stars won't have the beautiful symmetrical field of starts. No new state gets to come into the union until we have 5 states to add giving us 11 columns of 5 stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    Why are they using Jefferson as the name? If memory serves that was to be the name of the eastern TN area when it was going to be a different state.

    I'm opposed simply because a flag with 51 stars won't have the beautiful symmetrical field of starts. No new state gets to come into the union until we have 5 states to add giving us 11 columns of 5 stars.
    Well, we know Colorado was trying this also and I know most of Illinois would love to kick Chicagoland out. Just need two more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    Why are they using Jefferson as the name? If memory serves that was to be the name of the eastern TN area when it was going to be a different state.

    I'm opposed simply because a flag with 51 stars won't have the beautiful symmetrical field of starts. No new state gets to come into the union until we have 5 states to add giving us 11 columns of 5 stars.
    Well lets see California should be split off into at least three thats a net gain of 2. Colorado has a couple of countys that want to be split off, that makes 3. DC should be its own state, thats 4. The rest of Illinois would like Chicago to be its own country Oh wait that wouldnt help our flag out....... But you get the idea! DR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    No new state gets to come into the union until we have 5 states to add giving us 11 columns of 5 stars.
    We could start towards the remaining 4 by splitting Washington in two along the Cascades, although if California split I might come back to live in the north (left 20 years ago).

    I think a better idea would be to make all metro areas with concentrated population of more than 1 million into special autonomous districts like Washington DC, then let the remaining areas function as states without interference from the districts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arborigine View Post
    To keep the thread self-defensive related, the Counties of the proposed Jefferson State area in CA are very pro-2a, and issue CCWs. Not sure about Southern Oregon. My county is farther south than they claim, but should join. Once you get South past the Siskyou mountains, the state tends to politically divide by East Vs. West.

    Jefferson - The 51st State - Northern California / Southern Oregon - A State of Mind
    Thats where I think they should divide the rest of the state, east and west at along the hwy 101 line. DR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    Why are they using Jefferson as the name? If memory serves that was to be the name of the eastern TN area when it was going to be a different state.
    It's only a guess on my part. Possibly going back to the political differences between Thomas Jefferson & Alexander Hamilton. In a nutshell, Hamilton wanted a central bank giving control of ALL taxes to the federal government thus eliminating states rights to control their own monies. The more money the government has control of, the more people eventually depend on government and then more government is needed to fulfill the dependencies of the people.

    Jefferson believed that taxes in one state should not be used to subsidize projects in a different state. Jefferson believed more in states rights and individual responsibility, thus eliminating the need for big federal government running peoples lives.

    If your well runs dry, dig another well. Don't expect others to run their well dry by furnishing you with water.

    With the high tax rates, huge entitlement programs and loss of liberties in California, they have almost reached full blown "Hamilton" status.
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    As a former California resident, (glad I left and won't go back) I would love to see the state split in half.

    I was raised in the Owens valley on the east side of the Sierras. Southern California has been stealing water from the northern part of the state for decades. It needs to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    Why are they using Jefferson as the name? If memory serves that was to be the name of the eastern TN area when it was going to be a different state.

    I'm opposed simply because a flag with 51 stars won't have the beautiful symmetrical field of starts. No new state gets to come into the union until we have 5 states to add giving us 11 columns of 5 stars.
    Can't we just kick out IL then still have 50?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraySkies View Post
    We could start towards the remaining 4 by splitting Washington in two along the Cascades,
    Those of us in Eastern Oregon would be happy to join in...

    Quote Originally Posted by jackson85746 View Post
    I was raised in the Owens valley on the east side of the Sierras. Southern California has been stealing water from the northern part of the state for decades. It needs to stop.
    If it makes you feel any better, they've been stealing our hydroelectric power for decades (not to mention at a 10% efficiency loss during transmission), then flooding up here as they realize the hole they've dug themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jscottjr View Post
    Can't we just kick out IL then still have 50?
    I'll vote for that!
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