Can't trust your car anymore

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    Can't trust your car anymore

    A day is coming, if its not already here, when you can't trust your car anymore. Mercedes Benz has announced that a day is coming when a car will drive itself. For some time now, buy-here-pay here lots have been installing devices that will disable a car if you don't keep up on your payments. As more and more time goes by, we see that our control of the automobile is slowly dwindling away. If you're skeptical or don't believe this, consider that GM already employs, "technology that enables law enforcement to track a fleeing car and slow it gradually to idling speed when the situation warrants."

    There's nothing wrong with car lots wanting to get paid for their product. Outside of automobile purists' criticism, some people will not object to cars driving themselves and find it as a great conventience. Its a good thing when the police can track a criminal and disable him/her accordingly. All of these things are good things. All of these things have great potential to benefit society. All of these things bring along some kind of convenience.

    Given the convenience that technology is bringing to automotive features in a way that benefit us, a natural train of thought would dictate that all is good - isn't it cool we're becoming more like the Jetsons? We should not assume, however, there may not be some unintended consequences that will arise - after all, we're giving up some control in the matter. Most people probably wouldn't object to these things but these things, however, aren't really concerning me for the moment. Its the things that have the potential to come that I find disturbing.

    Consider that recently we have discovered that the government has been reading our emails all in the name of security. Consider that the IRS has abused its powers to disenfranchise a segment of the population that it finds undesirable. Given that we already have technology that allows law enforcement to disable a fleeing car, who's to say that a day won't come when this will be a common practice? Who's to say that there won't be a day when law enforcement will be able to switch your car off right before they light you up, just so you won't have the potential to run? Better yet, what if there's a day when the "authorities" want to talk to you and employ this tech to make sure this happens? Say for example, you get into your car to run down to Starbucks while open carrying and you find that you no longer have control of your car? A voice comes on the intercom, "This is officer, so-and-so. We're bringing you down to the station for some questioning. Don't worry about finding your way here, we've got control of your car and we've commanded it to come to the station. Thank you for your cooperation, have a nice day."

    Cars are being infiltrated with too much tech for my taste. I hate the idea of a car applying the brakes for me. More than this though, I hate the idea that someone else may take control of my car while I'm driving it and incapacitate me for whatever reason. A lot of cars already have black boxes. Our cars are already spying on us but now they're going to take the wheel out of our hands too? There's something to be said for the older cars that lack all of the newer technology that I'm starting to call, "offline" cars.

    I'm a law abiding citizen and I have no plans to violate any laws. I'm not advocating for anyone to violate any laws. I do, however, find this whole scenario disturbing. The potential to abuse our rights is already in existence and I'm afraid the temptation to put it into play will someday be too strong to fight. Legislation is the only thing that would make the whole thing legal and rightfully employed. If this happens, it is my opinion, we will have lost something in the mix of it all. We will have lost just a little more freedom.

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    I still have a car that the only thing electronic is the radio and I have to actually drive it.

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    It appears Ill be driving and fixing my 85 F150 4by4 until they haul me to my grave in it. Hearses may have that tech also by then and I rather the gooberment not be able to find my grave easily either
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    The "unintended consequences" you mention I read as "intended invasion of privacy". This is indeed alarming, but not surprising. Technology's great when it makes things more convenient for us but it's one hell of a double edged sword. I'll add onto what you mentioned:


    ‘Intrusive and Unsettling’: Man Rigs E-Z Pass Toll Tag to Show It Tracks Cars Outside of Tolls


    Could Your Freeway Pass Soon Be Used to Film You? You Might Be Surprised


    Then of course there's also the growing push for RFID equipped driver licenses, with four states (Michigan, New York, Vermont, and Washington) already implementing them.

    IMO, privacy is on it's way to being something that we tell our grandchildren about once upon a time having.
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    cars with card-board-meters and points will be only ones running after an EMP attack.
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    Ok, so whats the newest vehicle you can buy that wouldn't be effected by a "EMP" attack then?

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    My truck dies from an EMP attack ill drive the old Farmall and failing that theres always the horse and buggy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher67 View Post
    Ok, so whats the newest vehicle you can buy that wouldn't be effected by a "EMP" attack then?

    all cars will be effected by EMP attacks but those without solid state circuit will run after the attack has passed. those with semi conductors will be dead.

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    Will Mr. ED still be able to pull the buggy??
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    Quote Originally Posted by technomonster View Post
    all cars will be effected by EMP attacks but those without solid state circuit will run after the attack has passed. those with semi conductors will be dead.

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    So pre-1980 lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher67 View Post
    So pre-1980 lol.
    pre 1980, faster and more agile then most current cars. everything you need except perhaps a roof. and it's brand new. everything you need and nothing you don't.

    there are actually many places in the world that still produces carbed engines with point ignition due to lack of computers and tools to deal with modern fuel injection and electronic DIS ignition.
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    We were doomed from the moment they required emissions control systems. (I think that was '78)

    there were a few people who were able to keep up with the complexities of newer vehicles, but for the most part
    the average handy-man had to become dependent on specialists. Now we're at the point where few people can
    even change the oil in their cars let alone replace a leaking valve cover.

    Now we've come to the point where most of us have to rely on others. It's not just with cars, but with near everything.
    There is a deeper philosophical conversation here that is tangent to this thread. I'll stop here so as not to thread-jack.

    Back on topic... I don't trust any car that has , On-star, Low-Jack, or anything that has one of those "black boxes" .
    (I'm not sure I trust my GPS, but we're working to resolve that.) It's not so much paranoia as much as principled.
    I'm not doing anything wrong, just that no one has the right to follow my every movement.

    CC cameras, facial recognition software, traffic cameras, checkpoints, all these are anti-freedom/liberty .
    I thought this country was about Freedom. It is rapidly turning into a country about control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technomonster View Post
    cars with card-board-meters and points will be only ones running after an EMP attack.
    I had an AMC that would stall in a rain storm. I'll take rain proof over EMP proof any day!

    But seriously, there is something to be said about staying connected to our environment. More and more the populace trusts the "smarter" ones to provide a society that requires less and less input. Just put me on the treadmill, hand me my reward, and don't make me think too much.

    I love the technological advancements in my toys. I appreciate the advantages do modular construction (replace, not repair). The general populace still needs to stay connected to how the world around them works and stay in control of heir own destiny, both physically and metaphorically. That means basic knowledge like how to grow and cook some of your own food, fix your sink, and drive your own %#&$ car!

    There is also an "advancement" that automatically applies the brakes. That really worries me. I can foresee situations where I wouldn't want my car to slam on the brakes and I get rear ended.

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    I'll drive my Cub Cadet, it runs faster than I do.
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