Is your wood stove EPA approved?

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    Is your wood stove EPA approved?

    Well, it better be.

    The EPA Takes an Ax to Self-Sufficiency: Most Woodburning Stoves Will Soon Be Illegal | The Daily Sheeple

    More intrusion from our friends (or comrades, if your prefer).
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    Add that to it being illegal to collect rain water in a lot of states sure makes it hard for folks to live off the grid if they so choose.

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    More edicts to justify their existence, they have long outlived their usefulness and need to be disbanded.
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    The EPA, or the whole thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darbo View Post
    Add that to it being illegal to collect rain water in a lot of states sure makes it hard for folks to live off the grid if they so choose.
    Does that mean Florida will have to fill in the canal behind my house? Its sole purpose is to collect rain water.
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    I wonder where my outdoor wood boiler fits into their regulations

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    Keep in mind that soot is a known cause of death. The wisdom of such measures entirely depends upon who lives or works downwind of any specific stove.

    No, really.

    They include an estimated 4 million deaths annually from inhalation of soot and other material in the smoke
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    articulate air pollution from incomplete combustion ... cause premature deaths of over half a million annually in China alone
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    In 2001, Launceston (in Tasmania, Australia) was the setting for a series of interventions to reduce wood smoke pollution. The interventions dramatically accelerated a general trend towards using electric rather than wood heaters. As such, wood stove prevalence fell from 66% to 30% of all households and average particulate air pollution during winter was reduced by 40%
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    The reductions in mortality (deaths per 1000 people at risk per year, adjusted for age) between 1994-2001 and 2001-2007 were not significant for males and females combined (2.7% for all-cause mortality; 4.9% for cardiovascular mortality; 8.5% respiratory mortality). However, reductions were statistically significant for males alone: differences of 11.4% for all-cause mortality; 17.9% for cardiovascular and 22.8% for respiratory.


    I'll bet dollars to donuts that these regulations take into account these aggregate effects, and also keep in mind that 'wood burning' would have very different consequences if it was increasingly adopted by urban dwellers

    edit: we're living in an increasingly urban world, and so you're going to see regulations that need to account for that fact.
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    The EPA can kiss my grits.
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    At least with a good Gov shut down, we will not have to deal with the EPA or NEA for a couple of days. Yeah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    Keep in mind that soot is a known cause of death. The wisdom of such measures entirely depends upon who lives or works downwind of any specific stove.

    No, really.



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    more specifically,




    I'll bet dollars to donuts that these regulations take into account these aggregate effects, and also keep in mind that 'wood burning' would have very different consequences if it was increasingly adopted by urban dwellers

    edit: we're living in an increasingly urban world, and so you're going to see regulations that need to account for that fact.
    @ CanuckQue. Wow. OK. Look at a map of the total land mass of CANADA (where you are from) and consider the average population density across those other than Urban regions. Actually look at the factual numbers. How much carbon would Canada create/cause to make enough copper cable, covered in Oil based insulation, to run electric for heat to every rural cabin in Canada? That is some serious math.... Oh, by the way, wood is a renewable resource.

    Just so you know, serious MIT kind of smart people have done studies that point that the entire land mass of the world is very underpopulated, and you could put the entire world's population in an area the size of Texas and Oklohoma, with about one acre each family, and the rest of the earth would be empty.

    The EPA should regulate vocanoes and forest fires, far more poluting that wood stoves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    Keep in mind that soot is a known cause of death. The wisdom of such measures entirely depends upon who lives or works downwind of any specific stove.

    No, really.



    or



    more specifically,




    I'll bet dollars to donuts that these regulations take into account these aggregate effects, and also keep in mind that 'wood burning' would have very different consequences if it was increasingly adopted by urban dwellers

    edit: we're living in an increasingly urban world, and so you're going to see regulations that need to account for that fact.
    Everything's a known cause of death. If we're going to let the government stop anything that MIGHT kill somebody twenty years down the road, we might as well dig our holes and jump on in.
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    Well, your right to swing your smoke ends at my lungs, no? I mean, that's the principle. After the creation of the principle, it's situation-specific negotiations.

    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    @ CanuckQue. Wow. OK. Look at a map of the total land mass of CANADA (where you are from) and consider the average population density across those other than Urban regions. Actually look at the factual numbers. How much carbon would Canada create/cause to make enough copper cable, covered in Oil based insulation, to run electric for heat to every rural cabin in Canada? That is some serious math.... Oh, by the way, wood is a renewable resource.
    Right, okay. I mean, all you're suggesting is that rural wood stoves should have different (i.e., much less stringent) regulation ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post

    Just so you know, serious MIT kind of smart people have done studies that point that the entire land mass of the world is very underpopulated, and you could put the entire world's population in an area the size of Texas and Oklohoma, with about one acre each family, and the rest of the earth would be empty.
    Source? There's about 217million acres in TX and OK combined. There's a little over 7billion people here, if each family is 7, thats 0.217 acres per family. I'd love to see how they figured that one.

    I agree with you in principle, though. Whats next, regulating campfires? I bet its not far off.

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    That's crazy. I grew up with nothing but wood stove heat and as an adult heated my house exclusively with a wood stove in the mountains of Virginia for 10 years at a whopping cost of nothing but chainsaw gas. What a crock. And also, the amount of particulate matter would depend on the type of wood being burned, how dry it is, and how hot you burn it, and if you hunker down the pipe damper to just keep it smoldering a steady heat. That keeps most of the particulate from escaping which is why you have to clean your own stove pipes and chimney so often.

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