Continuing: It's what's for dinner - what the heck ARE GMO's?

Continuing: It's what's for dinner - what the heck ARE GMO's?

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    Exclamation Continuing: It's what's for dinner - what the heck ARE GMO's?

    I received a PM asking for me to do a write up about what is going on with our food supply now and am working on doing my own write up

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    Here is a FREE MOVIE about GMO's which does a very good job of explaining what they are and how they differ from the old fashioned breeding methods of cross polination - and what they are doing to US - and more.

    It is ONLY AVAILABLE TODAY, Nov 8 and tomorrow Nov 9 for free, so if you possibly have an hour to watch it, here is the link:

    Genetic Roulette ? The Gamble of Our Lives | Genetic Roulette

    Yes, to view it you will probably have to enter your name and email. And yes, you may possible receive email newsletters. It is VERY easy to unsubscribe if that happens.

    But, if you have an interest in healthier eating, I highly recommend this movie.

    No one even has to post a reply to this message. It is NOT put here to start a controversy. It is only in response to a request I received in the PM.

    (But if you do want to reply it might help keep this post higher in the list of active topics so others would see it.................just sayin')
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    GMOs, Monsanto, the list goes on. Mankind seems intent on obliterating itself. Good thing we already know how it all ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    GMOs, Monsanto, the list goes on. Mankind seems intent on obliterating itself. Good thing we already know how it all ends.
    "How it all ends".........the end of mankind............(with the possible exception of a couple of yet undiscovered Amazon tribes?)

    Is this good or bad?
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    There was a neat article I read last year (will edit when I can remember which journal) that pointed out that there were a few different types of GMOs. GMO is essentially putting novel or new genes into a crop. What they pointed out was that some of these introductions could be done with normal breeding efforts, but modern techniques are just much faster. There are other crops where the genes would just not be naturally possible (e.g., a jellyfish gene into a cat). GMO is suuuuuch a catchall. Their thesis was that the 'GMO' label should only really apply to plants that had genes from wildly different species introduced, ones that would not be theoretically possible through breeding modern crops (yeah, yeah, common ancestry, but c'mon). This way, if there was a bacterial toxin in the plant, we'd know. But if 'wild rice' received the 'drought-resistant rice' genes, then there's no need to tell us.
    There WILL be patents with this (simple) discovery. That, and "type III levers". It's untapped wealth, waiting for you who Google. Or your kids. People expanding on the potential are welcome to elucidate; I didn't phrase it well

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShooterGranny View Post
    "How it all ends".........the end of mankind............(with the possible exception of a couple of yet undiscovered Amazon tribes?)

    Is this good or bad?
    All depends on your perspective.
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    We have been genetically modifying our crops and livestock since we starting farming. We choose traits we wish and try to breed out the traits we don't want. The only difference is now we are doing it directly through genetic manipulation. What most of you don't realize is that without GMO, you would be eating much larger quantities of pesticides, fungicides and other chemicals. GMOs have been shown over and over to be safe and cost effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    We have been genetically modifying our crops and livestock since we starting farming. We choose traits we wish and try to breed out the traits we don't want. The only difference is now we are doing it directly through genetic manipulation. What most of you don't realize is that without GMO, you would be eating much larger quantities of pesticides, fungicides and other chemicals. GMOs have been shown over and over to be safe and cost effective.
    Choosing traits when breeding is the not the same as genetically modifying organisms in the lab. Now, genetic manipulation includes growing pesticides into the plant, which you cannot wash away. If they are so safe, then why are numerous countries requiring labeling or flat out banning GMOs? Maybe we should take note of the side effects:

    gmo rats.jpg

    See, even kids are catching on: http://youtu.be/HIXER_yZUBg
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdJean View Post
    Choosing traits when breeding is the not the same as genetically modifying organisms in the lab. Now, genetic manipulation includes growing pesticides into the plant, which you cannot wash away. If they are so safe, then why are numerous countries requiring labeling or flat out banning GMOs? Maybe we should take note of the side effects:

    gmo rats.jpg
    Many countries think that universal health care and socialism are a good ideas, do you agree with them also? The panic about GMOs are from the uniformed masses that don't understand the process or the testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outwestsystems View Post
    we have been genetically modifying our crops and livestock since we starting farming. We choose traits we wish and try to breed out the traits we don't want. The only difference is now we are doing it directly through genetic manipulation. What most of you don't realize is that without gmo, you would be eating much larger quantities of pesticides, fungicides and other chemicals. Gmos have been shown over and over to be safe and cost effective.
    ^^^^^the above commercial paid for by monsanto ^^^^^
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    And all this time I thought GMO meant "Got More Onions?"
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    I did watch the movie. I suggest as many of you that can, watch. Powerful stuff!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdJean View Post
    Choosing traits when breeding is the not the same as genetically modifying organisms in the lab. Now, genetic manipulation includes growing pesticides into the plant, which you cannot wash away.
    Thanks exactly what I meant. There are some GMOs that really are incredibly similar to what you'd get through clever breeding. And some cannot be gotten the 'old fashioned way'.
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    The panic about GMOs are from the uniformed masses that don't understand the process or the testing.
    Well, to be fair, the testing is hard*. And, clearly, the incentives to 'find risks' in the actual producers of GMOs aren't ... incredibly robust. So, there's a need to have properly funded arms-length testing. Now, reasonably rigorous testing can easily get food to the 'safe enough' standard. After that, you're only likely to find issues after man-years of human consumption. Or through luck.

    *hard
    There WILL be patents with this (simple) discovery. That, and "type III levers". It's untapped wealth, waiting for you who Google. Or your kids. People expanding on the potential are welcome to elucidate; I didn't phrase it well

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    Many countries think that universal health care and socialism are a good ideas, do you agree with them also? The panic about GMOs are from the uniformed masses that don't understand the process or the testing.
    yeah...all those doctors and scientists in the film seemed really "uninformed". Who informs you? Monsanto?
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    Let the people that want to eat GMO foods eat it! All I'm asking that you let me know so I won't eat it.

    Momma always says stupid is as stupid does...
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    I'm still waiting to see one, ONE proper scientific (we're talking controlled, reproducible, double-blind) study that proves that a GMO crop currently on the market causes any kind of disease. Until such a study surfaces, all the anti-GMO crowd is doing is smearing mud over innovations that are doing more to feed the world's hungry than every non profit in the history of the world put together.

    If you can afford organic, locally grown food--go for it! I myself try to only eat pastured, locally produced meat and dairy whenever I can--and locally grown, non-frozen vegetables when in season. I can afford them, they taste better, and I like to support my local farmers. However, I also know this: throughout history, and until VERY recently, *billions* of people have lived in environments where a single bad harvest meant misery, and two bad harvests in a row meant death. Drought, disease, and pests have been the scourge of mankind over the ages, and you're telling me that the invention of a drought, disease, and pest-resistant seed is somehow a bad thing? What is this, upside down day?

    And no, Monsanto aren't doing this to be 'nice'. They're doing it to make a truckload of money. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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