Socialism and tyranny for the "good of the people"

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    Socialism and tyranny for the "good of the people"

    This story just really got my juices going. If we're not careful the US will end up at the bottom of this pit as well.

    So a little background ( been to Venezuela ) the poverty rates are enormous. There is ver little middle class workers. There are rich people and people living in poverty. We are talking houses made from shipping pallets and tarps poverty. Very common to see make shift houses all over the place. There are apartments and homes as well but most that I saw were very run down.

    The president decided that instead of trying to bring more money into the country they would just lower the cost of living. They did this by passing multiple laws outlining what you can charge for goods.

    This is good for the people short term. They can now afford the goods. Bad for the people long term because international companies are jumping ship due to low profits. So the government has now resorted to robbing the stores at gun point. Literally military occupation of stores and giving away goods. Read below.

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    Venezuelan President Maduro has declared war on 'bourgeois parasites' by taking over Daka, an electronics retailer similar to Best Buy. USA Today reports, 'National guardsmen, some of whom had assault rifles, were positioned around outlets of [Daka] ... Maduro has ordered to lower prices or face prosecution. Thousands of people lined up at the Daka stores hoping for a bargain after the government forced the companies to charge "fair" prices. "I want a Sony plasma television for the house," said Amanda Lisboa, 34, a business administrator who waited seven hours outside a Caracas store ... "It's going to be so cheap!" "This is for the good of the nation," Maduro said, referring to the military's occupation of Daka. "Leave nothing on the shelves, nothing in the warehouses Let nothing remain in stock!" Maduro said his seizures are the 'tip of the iceberg' and that other stores would be next if they did not comply with his orders.
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    Time to burn the capital building where that sack of crap is at. He must have gone to the Obummer School of Political Action.
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    The sad part is, we have done the exact same thing with loan rates and healthcare in this country dormant years. Instead of letting the free market drive the rates, we have a panel that sets them.

    No one wants to talk about that though.


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    I do find it really interesting how rarely socialism ends up benefiting the people, especially when it comes to seizing ownership of business assets already in place. The only exceptions I can think of are (a) gov't maintaining ownership of natural resources and (b) money redistribution, where there's a giant mixed bag of both successes and failures.

    We have to keep hearkening back to the number 1 rule of economics "incentives matter"
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    Nothing about the United States is socialist. Everything is driven by supply and demand, and greed. Greed by everyone... not just the so called rich. Greed by those who file frivolous law suits, greed by those who would have others pay their way in life from charitable gifts and government hand outs (Including farmers, and business getting tax breaks), Greed by speculators, greed by corperate raiders and venture finance groups, greed by workers who hold their employers hostage for unreasonable, and unsustainable pay and benifits, greed by government employed thieves, and dullards who are incapable compassion or common sense.

    WE the American people have become a nation of lazy, fat, cowards, and fools who go for any idiot that comes down the pike. We are so lazy we dont bother to question authority. We dont question authority to the point that the authorities have begun to subjigate us, and made questioning them a crime, allowing them to imprison the few who do speak out as domestic terrorists. I'm talking about the progressives, the liberals, the democrats, the republicans, the conservatives, and especially the tea party. I'm ashamed that so many really patriotic Americans are falling for all the above. Have that many of us become so desperate that we'll follow a fool's banner to destruction just so they can belong to something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    Nothing about the United States is socialist.
    I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.
    Social security is in fact a socialist entity.

    You are not paying in to your retirement. You are paying the people that are currently collecting. By definition this is socialist.

    Nevermind unemployment and disability.

    For the record we are the laughing stock of the word right now. I am in Europe at the moment. Everyone wants to talk politics here. They are shocked that we have not risen up and removed this administration from power.

    The best comment of the day today was from a polish fellow. "Health care tax? What is it a tax on? A tax is levied on goods. They are levying a tax on not buying something? How is that legal? That is like a company Billing you for not using their services."

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    He went on to say, even though they have govt healthcare here its a service they pay into. It's not a shared system. Sure there are some who cannot pay but everyone pays their own and the govt keeps a percentage to fund clinics for those who cannot pay. ""

    Again they are shocked we have not had another revolution yet. Especially since we are armed.... For now.


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    All great nations were build on the backs of the middle class. Socialism does benefit 2 groups of people within a nation. 1. The sick, lame and lazy class. 2. The wealthy, elite, ruling class.

    Problem is, It breaks the backs of the middle class.
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    All we have to do is look at the "former" Soviet Union to see just how Communism/Socialism or whatever did. It failed and did so miserably. Historically the "rich" have been demonized as the problem of society and many attempts have been made to lower them and make everyone equal in life. That simply cannot work, it has been tried and bottom line is that it always fails.

    People are different. Our DNA is so unique that not one person on our Planet is exact. Our needs, wants and desires are also much different and there is no one-size-fits-all cure for social ills. Socialism does not produce, it takes what others produce and attempts to equally distribute it. Sounds like a wonderful concept though, everyone shares equally in the good fortune of the "rich." But only in concept can this work.

    Like I stated earlier, it does not and never will work. There is too much greed on both the rich and poor sides to facilitate any kind of working Socialism and in the end the Socialist elite will become the "rich" they so desperately hate. It always comes out that way.

    We need to avoid Socialism as if it were the Plague, because that it exactly what it is, a plague, a disease that will eventually destroy a country and a people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daffyduc View Post
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    Venezuelan President Maduro has declared war on 'bourgeois parasites' by taking over Daka, an electronics retailer similar to Best Buy. USA Today reports, 'National guardsmen, some of whom had assault rifles, were positioned around outlets of [Daka] ... Maduro has ordered to lower prices or face prosecution. Thousands of people lined up at the Daka stores hoping for a bargain after the government forced the companies to charge "fair" prices. "I want a Sony plasma television for the house," said Amanda Lisboa, 34, a business administrator who waited seven hours outside a Caracas store ... "It's going to be so cheap!" "This is for the good of the nation," Maduro said, referring to the military's occupation of Daka. "Leave nothing on the shelves, nothing in the warehouses Let nothing remain in stock!" Maduro said his seizures are the 'tip of the iceberg' and that other stores would be next if they did not comply with his orders.
    So when the shelves are empty and the warehouses are empty and it costs more to make the goods than the maunfacturer is being paid for them...won't that be the end of Daka stores?

    Thank you for posting that article, I didn't know this was happening in Venezuela right now. People never learn, do they?

    It's like when Mao took over China and killed the "greedy", wealthy farmers and seized the land to give to "the people". The first year "the people" were over joyed, ate well and lived it up. The second year, when there were no crops because all the farmers had been killed, they starved. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskeetshooter View Post
    All great nations were build on the backs of the middle class. Socialism does benefit 2 groups of people within a nation. 1. The sick, lame and lazy class. 2. The wealthy, elite, ruling class.

    Problem is, It breaks the backs of the middle class.
    It only helps the first group for a short period of time; just long enough to let tyranny become well established.

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    At least they're honest about it. Hugo Chavez spoke a lot more plainly than our president, or media.

    'Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp.

    During one of Chavez's customary lectures on the "curse" of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM's bankruptcy filing....

    "Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.'
    "Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of the way... The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished; and it would have done somewhat more, if the government had not sometimes got in its way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qtip View Post
    It only helps the first group for a short period of time; just long enough to let tyranny become well established.
    You are so correct. Throughout history, Socialist nations have about the same longevity as Capitalist nations. China is a tad bit smarter than a lot of socialist nations. They have come to realize that pure socialism does not work. Courses in capitalist economics are now being taught in their colleges. Capitalist type courses are some of the most requested courses for Chinese students.
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    Great. Now I'm afraid this will seem like a great idea to Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldskeetshooter View Post
    You are so correct. Throughout history, Socialist nations have about the same longevity as Capitalist nations. China is a tad bit smarter than a lot of socialist nations. They have come to realize that pure socialism does not work. Courses in capitalist economics are now being taught in their colleges. Capitalist type courses are some of the most requested courses for Chinese students.
    Perhaps China more so than other Communist/Socialist/Progressive countries have learned that Capitalism can and does work under the right circumstances, however, they seem to have a mixture of the two. Tight restrictive Communist government that allows some Capitalism.

    Remember Hong Kong? It was a bastion of Capitalism just outside of China's borders until Britain allowed it to return to China in 1997. I think China has learned that pure Socialism will not work so they are attempting to bridge the gap between the two.
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    Capitalism is an economic system where man takes advantage of his fellow man. With Socialism, the opposite is true.
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