RIP Nelson Mandela, 1918-2013

RIP Nelson Mandela, 1918-2013

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    RIP Nelson Mandela, 1918-2013

    Nelson Mandela has passed away, after a long illness. He was 95 years of age.

    Some good coverage from around the world:

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    One of but a few that really deserved the Nobel Peace prize. RIP
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    A good man, it's hard to wrap my mind around the fact that he spent 27 years in prison for daring to demand to be treated like a human being.
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    The situation in South Africa is going to track what has happened in the U.S. since MLK passed.

    The supposed heirs of Mandela's heart felt and hard earned philosophy regarding human rights will abuse it and use it, in his name, to acheive their own selfish goals. I wouldn't be suprised to see the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakan and Jeremiah Wright moving to South Africa to spread their disgusting race baiting hatred.

    Now that the legitimate leader of anti-apartheid movement is gone, I suspect that "scavengers" will be hard at work manipulating the leadership vacuum to their advantage.

    I hate to be so cynical, but I am not very hopeful for the future of South Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodad View Post
    The situation in South Africa is going to track what has happened in the U.S. since MLK passed.

    The supposed heirs of Mandela's heart felt and hard earned philosophy regarding human rights will abuse it and use it, in his name, to acheive their own selfish goals. I wouldn't be suprised to see the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakan and Jeremiah Wright moving to South Africa to spread their disgusting race baiting hatred.

    Now that the legitimate leader of anti-apartheid movement is gone, I suspect that "scavengers" will be hard at work manipulating the leadership vacuum to their advantage.

    I hate to be so cynical, but I am not very hopeful for the future of South Africa.
    Nope, not really. The succession has already happened, since Mandela hasn't been hands-on for a long time now. His successors in the ANC have so far proved to be interested in little more than enriching themselves at everybody's expense. It's just plain, old fashioned corruption over there--not an ideological push by one race to "get even" with another.

    That said, I have to agree that there's little to be hopeful for in the future of South Africa. I think they'd have had more of a chance if Mandela hadn't been so old by the time apartheid ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightOwl76 View Post
    Nope, not really. The succession has already happened, since Mandela hasn't been hands-on for a long time now. His successors in the ANC have so far proved to be interested in little more than enriching themselves at everybody's expense. It's just plain, old fashioned corruption over there--not an ideological push by one race to "get even" with another.

    That said, I have to agree that there's little to be hopeful for in the future of South Africa.
    You may be right, but my point was now that the much beloved "symbol" is physically gone, the trend that you identified will simply accelerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightOwl76 View Post
    Nope, not really. The succession has already happened, since Mandela hasn't been hands-on for a long time now. His successors in the ANC have so far proved to be interested in little more than enriching themselves at everybody's expense. It's just plain, old fashioned corruption over there--not an ideological push by one race to "get even" with another.

    That said, I have to agree that there's little to be hopeful for in the future of South Africa. I think they'd have had more of a chance if Mandela hadn't been so old by the time apartheid ended.
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    Well, based on my study of the man, his philosophy and actions...

    I would go against the grain here.
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    As far as communist revolutionaries go, I guess he was one of the good ones.
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    You try living in a real tyranny for a few decades (as opposed to the comical stuff we see here), then you get to nitpick his particular ideology. The man rid himself and his country of a terrible evil. That's good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightOwl76 View Post
    You try living in a real tyranny for a few decades (as opposed to the comical stuff we see here), then you get to nitpick his particular ideology. The man rid himself and his country of a terrible evil. That's good enough.
    When the particular ideology is responsible for over 70 million deaths worldwide, I wouldn't call it nitpicking. To be fair to Mandela, he moderated substantially before he came to power, but the fact remains that he started fighting evil by siding with a different evil.
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    Let's keep the overt political discussions out of it, please. The man is dead. He helped to bring about great change in his country and is widely recognized for that. Nobody's perfect, and folks needn't defend (or appear to be defending) any of the distasteful aspects of his actions or achievements folks claim exist.

    But this is about the eulogies to the man and why folks around the world are remembering his life, not a thread for vilification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Let's keep the overt political discussions out of it, please. The man is dead. He helped to bring about great change in his country and is widely recognized for that. Nobody's perfect, and folks needn't defend (or appear to be defending) any of the distasteful aspects of his actions or achievements folks claim exist.

    But this is about the eulogies to the man and why folks around the world are remembering his life, not a thread for vilification.
    Apologies, but in the context of what you say, I feel compelled to respond that I think folks around the world are mis-remembering his life right now, and that I don't think he deserves the grand words. "Distasteful" isn't the word I'd use to describe the actions of the MK, which he co-founded and led. Having said that, respectfully, I'll abstain from further comments in your thread.
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    How do you keep "the overt political discussions" away from a discussion about the death of a political figure? As for the "great change in his country," I wouldn't be so sure about that. Yes Apartheid was bad but it was replaced with a worse system that has mad everyone worse off.
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    This is one man that was loved by many and will be remembered by many as well . I sure hope that the world remembers the good he has done and what he stood for .
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