TSA's Lack of Logic (WAY off topic, but...)

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    TSA's Lack of Logic (WAY off topic, but...)

    I (and Americans) need your help! I write about my mounting frustration with the passenger security selection process employed by the TSA. I have witnessed a process that defies logic, and now have first-hand information of the same. I witnessed a 75 year old woman (in a wheel chair) and two U.S. Marines nearly strip-searched in Atlanta, while three middle-eastern men, around 23 years old speaking Arabic boarded without incident. Today, my step-son (also a Marine preparing for his THIRD tour to fight for this country) was singled out for "special" screening before boarding a flight from Las Vegas to Philadelphia. He was told he couldn't just go through screening, he had to go to "special" screening where he was almost strip-searched. "Thanks for fighting and nearly dying for this country, but here is what we think of you!" WHAT THE HELL IS THE TSA THINKING? Who poses the greater risk? Grandma and our Marines, or those who have vowed to convert us or kill us? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

    Please contact your elected "leaders" and ask them to tell Nancy Pelosi and her "friends" to start employing just a little (not a lot) logic in this game played at the airport. I refer to it as a game as I honestly believe it's all for show. Isn't it amazing how countries that use profiling have had little or no security breaches at their airports? Does anyone in Washington wonder why? Does anyone in Washington care about anything other than getting elected and then re-elected? Does anyone in Washington really care?

    I appreciate the opportunity to vent on something that is WAY off topic, but our Country's future is questionable unless we change our twisted ways!
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    Trust me Sniper, I really feel your pain and understand wholeheartedly where you are coming from. However, depending on where the arguement goes, this can be a touchy (read: offensive) subject. With that being said (and the fact people will slap a lawsuit on you faster than you can turn around), I will do my best not to offend.
    It appears to me, that TSA (and other security agencies) will go out of their way to make it seem they are not "profiling". They will go so much out of the way, they completely avoid searching the very same people that historically, have a problem with the United States. However, on the other end of the coin. If you search ONLY people that "fit the discription" your people become complacent. They will begin to target scraggly bearded, koran toting, Keffiyeh wearers and completely overlook a clean shaven, suit wearing, business man or stereotypical foreign exchange students that also happen to be of Middle Easterndescent.



    I'm not saying one group of people should be strictly singled out and searched, but rather, if I have to stand there and get searched (which I have been, and do not mind) than THEY should be searched too.

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    This isn't really surprising to you is it?

    We have allowed 'political correctness' into EVERY part of our lives. From not wanting to 'profile' potential threats to people saying 'happy holidays' instead of MERRY CHRISTMAS.

    We see our rights attacked by anti-gunners, activist judges, corrupt politicians.

    As for agencies like the TSA, they are just another government bureaucracy. I dare ANYONE to name for me ONE, JUST ONE.... US government agency or program that works & is UNDER budget. (....except the US Armed Forces, which is one of the only ones covered in the US Constitution.)

    Our tax dollars NOT at work.........

    In closing to the PC crowd..............

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    I Understand...

    My mom has since passed, but while we took care of her for years...we were traveling with her. She was in her 80's, suffering some dementia, and not in the best of health. When we went through the security check, they (TSA) made her get out of her wheel chair for a more thorough check...I was pissed to say the least...

    Even my wife, who is a bit more forgiving in most situations was perplexed at the process...

    It was obvious that my mom had NO IDEA about what was going on...I had to help her stand and then seat her again...
    And someone gets paid for making these decisions?

    Sheesh...

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    Good points all! It just irks me to no end. I had to vent. I read that Mommy Dearest (Nancy Pelosi) is teaming up with the new Muslim Representative from Minnesota to criminalize profiling. The Guiness Beer commercial describes it best...."BRILLIANT!" Problem is, when SHTF, where will these nimrods be and where will they point the finger?

    Merry Christmas all - stay well, stay alert and stay alive! I need all of you (all y'all down here) in the coming years!!!!!
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    That's messed up. Whenever I flew on official government business (read: on orders), as long as I had my military ID, that practically gave me carte blanche through security. Never was asked to remove my shoes, step aside, etc. Of course, this was years ago, but still after September 11th.

    It's a sad state of affairs, indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper208 View Post
    Problem is, when SHTF, where will these nimrods be and where will they point the finger?
    She'll hide behind her bodyguards and point her finger at conservative Republicans for creating an atmosphere that breeds terrorism. She'll say the uncalled-for war in Iraq was responsible for pushing decient, loving Muslims over the edge and doing what they feel is morally justified.

    Excuse me, I think I need to barf.

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    Nate - Even flying on "business" (orders) gets MORE attention. We recently had the Marine Honor Guard, responsible for escorting the coffins and remains of fallen Marines undergo extraordinary security screening - to the point some missed their flight! That's how far the left has gone in their anti-war, anti-American diatribe!
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    Most of the TSA folks are just doing what they are told.

    It appears that they use NO common sense or judgement about any situation and even a simple question about anything causes them to ask for a supervisor, which usally delays things quite bit.

    I recently flew into Houston on business. My partner was detained because he had not placed his toothpast, shaving cream and blood pressure medicine in a ziplock bag. I on the other hand, stepped in right before he did with NONE of my personal items in a ziplock bad and wasnt even questioned. I was beggining to wonder if we would make the flight. After doing a very thorough search on him, about 30 miutes later they decided to allow him to pass. It was ridiculous.

    What got us though the Little Rock aipport was unacceptable at the Houston airport.

    Two weeks later we both made the same trip again.
    This time we made it without any hassels until we boarded the return turn trip back to Little Rock. This time, we had too much shaving cream and too much tooth past so we had to give them up just to make the flight. Bear in mind that we had made it from L.R. to Houston with the same stuff already.

    So even within the TSA there are no standards. What is acceptable to one person is not acceptable to the next one standing in line. If somone happens to be upset at their mom or dad or if they forgot to take their medications that day, it will be relflected in how they deal with passengers that day. If one happens to be anti-militay, anti cop, or anti fur, you can imagine how they may be treated.

    I used to take stories of the TS a with a grain of salt. Now I realize that it is a total fiasco. Basically you have no rights at all and you are quilty until proven otherwise. Forcing someone to take their shoes off and walk into a line is unsanitary...many people were walking barefoot on the same path. Their training apprears to be sketchy to say the least.

    I do realize that I've only been though two terminals as of late, but my impression of them is that they are just flying by the seat of their pants and even they dont have a good grasp on things.

    Flying today is a lesson in aggravation,inefficiency and frustration.



    I do hear that they are selling more mixed drinks on the flights though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper208 View Post
    Nate - Even flying on "business" (orders) gets MORE attention. We recently had the Marine Honor Guard, responsible for escorting the coffins and remains of fallen Marines undergo extraordinary security screening - to the point some missed their flight! That's how far the left has gone in their anti-war, anti-American diatribe!
    I just have to ask... what the hell has happened to my country?

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    That IS the question for all to consider!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper208 View Post
    Good points all! It just irks me to no end. I had to vent. I read that Mommy Dearest (Nancy Pelosi) is teaming up with the new Muslim Representative from Minnesota to criminalize profiling. The Guiness Beer commercial describes it best...."BRILLIANT!" Problem is, when SHTF, where will these nimrods be and where will they point the finger?

    Merry Christmas all - stay well, stay alert and stay alive! I need all of you (all y'all down here) in the coming years!!!!!
    Cut out this posting and place it on your frig...

    The next vote could be even WORSE...

    Think ahead friends, we're going to find ourselves in 'deep kimchi', and NO weapons... Baaaaaaaaa...help us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    I just have to ask... what the hell has happened to my country?

    While a few here seem to want to put blame on the yet to be House Speaker, the blame for the TSA mess lies squarely on the present Administration, and the present Congress. It is not as if they aren't aware that 6 times in the recent past Congressment themselves have been prohibited from boarding because the no-fly lists are screwed up. If it happened to 6 out of 435, you can bet it is happening at about the same rate within the general public.

    Then too, there is blame to be placed on the few judges who a decade ago decided that it was O.K. to institute a system of internal passports; the use of the standard driver's license (or similar government issued ID) for domestic travel. They don't read the same Constitution I do. I can't quote the exact portion, but somewhere in there it says roughly that we are free to travel between the states. Requiring an internal passport goes counter to the plain wording.

    My pet gripe, post the mess this past summer with the English-Muslim terror threat, is the requirement that all prescriptions should be in their pharmacy issued container. I'm a tad older, take 6-8 different meds daily, and purchase them in 90 day quantities. I can't risk packing them in luggage that will sooner or later be lost, and they take up too much room in carry on.

    In the end, the problem is less one of TSA mismangement than it is general incoherence of governmental policy at all levels, and across Agencies. Just maybe, the new House Speaker will institute the oversight that has been lacking for 6 years. Let's put the blame and keep it, where it belongs. On those presently running the show.

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    Well said, Hopyard.

    Keep in mind who's controlled the executive and legislative branches over the past six years and realize who's responsible for the current policies. Demonizing congressional leaders who haven't even assumed their roles yet doesn't serve us at all. Letting them know what should be changed, and why, can be useful going forward.
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    I have to agree with Nate, in 2002 & 2003 I and my team were searched and our bags were taken apart even though we were traveling on military orders. The reason the Airlines that will remain nameless (South West) and TSA gave was that the final destination was not listed on the orders. Oh… did I mention that the final destination was classified? What a joke.
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