Are we suffering from societal decay?

Are we suffering from societal decay?

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    Are we suffering from societal decay?

    In a word YES.

    Here are some examples of it:

    1973 vs. 2006

    Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack. 1973: Vice principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack. 2006: School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

    Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school. 1973: Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled. 2006: Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charges them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

    Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students. 1973: Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by principal. Sits still in class. 2006: Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

    Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his dad gives him a whipping. Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman. 2006: Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

    Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to school. 1973: Mark shares headache medicine with principal out on the smoking dock. 2006: Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

    Scenario: Mary turns up pregnant. 1973: Five high school boys leave town. Mary does her senior year at a special school for expectant mothers. 2006: Middle school counselor calls appropriate authorities and Mary is driven to the next state over and gets an abortion without her parents' consent or knowledge. Mary given condoms and told to be more careful next time. Also brings baby to school for students and teachers to coo over.

    Scenario: Sammy fails high school English. 1973: Sammy goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college. 2006: Sammy's cause is taken up by politicians. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist since Sammy is a member of a minority group. Class action filed against state school system as well as Sammy's English teacher. English removed from graduation requirements. Sammy ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.

    Scenario: Johnny takes leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red-ant hill. 1973: Ants die. 2006: ATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's dad goes on a terror-watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

    Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him. 1973: In short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2006: Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in state prison.

    We could go on forever here. We read the horror stories ever day. None of the above scenarios are unique. The following is.

    Scenario: Recently, my friend's son swatted his 13-year-old daughter on the backside for rude behavior. 1973: The mouthy kid is grounded and her manners improve. 2006: The child calls 9-1-1. Police arrive. Father eyed with suspicion and interrogated.

    Sometimes I wonder don't you? Are we making anything better? Or are we just flailing our arms for show and pretending to fix what ain't broke?

    Elizabeth Schuett writes for Cox News Service.

    Feel free to add your own, I'm sure everybody can think of some.....
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    Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.

    But our parents sure thought we were changing the world for the worse and heading down the road to hell in a handbasket. And their parents before them thought the same thing, according to my late grandmother. Also, according to her, did her parents. And theirs.

    I suspect this sort of thing has been going on since we have been aware that society can change.

    For my part, I remember taking my 12 gauge to school to go dove hunting after football practice right after Labor Day. I never got arrested or questioned by one of the 3 or 4 LEO's who resided in the County at the time.

    I don't think that's very common anymore.

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    You ever wonder how low we can go before it all comes apart?

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    Well, we were pretty much away from mainland culture for ten years. Coming back was a real shock and not a very nice one! Ever read the history of the rise and fall of the Roman empire? It's amazing how many parallels there are between the two cultures. We're just moving a whole lot faster....
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    Yes. With rapidity.

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    Ever read the history of the rise and fall of the Roman empire? It's amazing how many parallels there are between the two cultures. We're just moving a whole lot faster....
    sad but true...and its pretty much due to immorality...the same thing that historically always that implodes nations from within...

    Its interesting how history seems to repeat itself when people dont take the time to learn about it. Not that anyone learns much history in school nowadays.
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    The science fiction writer Poul Anderson wrote a series about a secret agent (named Flandry, I think) living in a future society in the final days of a great civilization. The civilization was in the process of self destructing and newer powers were helping it along. He was always trying to put off the "Long Night" of civilzation, as he put it.

    I never thought I would be living in the same situation, but lately I feel as though I am.

    The series is well worth the read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    The science fiction writer Poul Anderson wrote a series about a secret agent (named Flandry, I think) living in a future society in the final days of a great civilization. The civilization was in the process of self destructing and newer powers were helping it along. He was always trying to put off the "Long Night" of civilzation, as he put it.

    I never thought I would be living in the same situation, but lately I feel as though I am.

    The series is well worth the read.
    I was going to point out this same series AutoFan. It is a good read and it is a little depressing how much it reminds me of some of the things going on in the world now.

    Sometimes I think we are heading into the Long night and sometimes I see reason to be hopeful. It's hard to say but I know I am doing what I can to be prepared for the possibility that we are at the edge of the long night.
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    "We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." -Inscription, 6000 year-old Egyptian tomb (quoted in R. Buckminster Fuller's I Seem to be a Verb)

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    Personally, I think we live in a great time, and it's only going to get better...
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    In The Schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Yes. With rapidity.
    this can be clearly seen...'sad days'.

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    Personally, I think we live in a great time, and it's only going to get better...
    Presonally,Im enjoying life like there is no tomorrow...because I know that tomorrow could suck.

    Today I am an optimist, when I think of tomorrow I think like a pessimist.
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    From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries . . .

    1994 - Volume 11

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."

    "The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith
    From spiritual faith to great courage
    From courage to liberty
    From liberty to abundance
    From abundance to complacency
    From complacency to apathy
    From apathy to dependence
    From dependence back again into bondage."

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    200 years ago while we were still a British Colony,
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    I'd have to say Yes as well. I know every generation thinks the next one is screwing everything up. But there is a difference between change and decay. Cooper wasn't always right, but when he was he was spot on.

    What series was that by Anderson?
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    I have been taught that if you are not a part of solution then you are a rart of the problem. IMHO the majority of society is either directly the problem or contributing to it.
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