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    New Job!! CCW allowed!!! yay!

    Well I am going to do it. I have been working at a local pizza parlor for about 4 months and have been promoted to manager. I cant carry while on the job. This upset me and rather than quit and be jobless for a while, i chose to look for a job that better suits my talents and lets me carry. Easier said than done. I got word today that I am going to be working as a full time Bouncer\ Security for a large night club here. The owner of the club is a dj\rocker who has major connections in the music world and is gone alot on tour. His club is always packed and has had acts like 2live crew (rap), Gwar (metal) and others. The scene gets rough in a hurry down there.

    After a long conversation with the owner, i get the feeling that while working there Im sure to see my fair share of action. He is allowing me to carry but only concealed. Which is fine with me. My DPSST certification will let me carry a baton, cuffs, spray, tac knife, tac light and strobe. I plan on packing these to work there. I also spoke with the head of security for the club and he said that they have a great relationship with LEO's and really do keep order. The LEO's in this small coastal town are few and far between so they are more than happy to let us handle the security our selves and call on them only when emergencies arise. The owner of the club said he would rather not have the police down there very often because it looks bad, so he said its up to us (me) to handle problems.

    After leaving there I felt both excited and worried. to me it sounds like a few shady things have happend there with the security\troublemaker relationship. For now its really good money and I will keep my eye on the inner workings of the club. If it looks like its going to be something thats not going to 100% legit I will quit.


    SO, with that said... Does anyone have any experiance being a bar bouncer and could share some with me. I have done this kind of work before but only on occasion and really diddnt learn the ropes.

    All im pictureing in my head is ROAD HOUSE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelicious View Post
    SO, with that said... Does anyone have any experiance being a bar bouncer and could share some with me. I have done this kind of work before but only on occasion and really diddnt learn the ropes.

    All im pictureing in my head is ROAD HOUSE!
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    I was a bouncer for a year and a half not too long ago. That was probably one of the best jobs I've ever had. I tend to be aggressive so I had some fun. I'll tell you what though, the first time you get to kick the snot out of some drunk guy who hits his wife/girlfriend... it's all worth it. If you have a normal bar attached to the club, sometimes the regulars will help you out. I've had my hide saved by a one more than once.

    Don't forget... what you are carrying a beligerant to the door, don't forget to introduce them to doorjams and barstools.

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    Glad carry is Ok - and hope it works out well. Just maintain your responsibility and still where possible avoid conflicts - talking can work wonders, well, on some folks!
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    I can't believe carry is OK at a club (I'm thinking "bar", and totin' shootin' arns is illegal here in Okie-Homa at bars).

    I did a little of that type of "security" work about 20 years ago. My advice will differ a bit from some here- perhaps a reflection of differences in personality or approach.

    Do everything you can not to beat the crap out of people. Be polite. De-escalate tension whenever possible, which includes not getting pushy (firm is OK).

    Even so, as you will find out, sometimes some jackasses need to exit stage left, and pronto. When those situations arise, act swiftly, with resolve and extreme prejudice.

    I don't know the setup of your establishment or whomever else might be working there, but if at all possible, it's nice to have ten of you hustling a dude outta there instead of just one. It's just a lot less messy.

    You might be able to take anyone except Chuck Norris or Arnold, but even if the persona non grata guy is drunk, he can be a pain to eject all by yourself.

    Strength in numbers can help clear even a badly alcohol-befuddled brain. Some idiot might think he's Joe Frazier if there's one bouncer asking him to leave. He's about four times less likely to think that way if there are four bouncers throwing his mangy carcass into the parking lot.

    Ron White gives a pearl of wisdom on this very topic: "I didn't know how many of them it was gonna take to kick my ass, but I knew how many they were going to use"

    Hey, congrats on the new gig. My piece is worth what you've paid for it- YMMV.

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    Well, congrats on the new job and being able to carry at work. But, watch your butt. Being a bouncer can be a bit dangerous.
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    congrats on the new job, sounds like its going to be fun.

    My big piece of advice is this-LEARN GOOD WEAPON RETENTION SKILLS!! This is an absolute must for you, you will be in H2H situations. They will find your gun and other tools, and they will try to take them.
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    Be careful with the gun on that new job. You will be up against drunks and roudy people who are looking to fight.try not to let things esculate and get out of control.Think twice about useing or displaying the gun. Just remember if the gun is used it will come back on you and not the owner. Good luck at your new job and may every thing go smooth.

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    Well, bouncing is how I have supported myself the past couple of years in college. I have experience with both just the bar type atmosphere, and more club like enviroments.

    My general philosophy is (unless a fight is already on) to try to de-escalate the situation, but the person only gets a maximum of 3 chances. People want to drink and have fun, sometimes they do something kind of stupid, and yeah, ok, don't do it again. Most people are reasonable,even when drunk, and will listen to you, if not, their not so drunk friends usually will, and they take care of it. You need to have thick skin, but make sure people know you mean business when they need to. The crowd can and will pick up on your mood, and that can determine how some people act. If you act like you are having a good time, they will follow, if you look miserable because you have been standing on a bar stool for 12 hours straight, they will pick up on that and things will not go well. Make sure you stay sober.

    A couple hard and fast rules that I always enforce:
    If you can't stand on your own feet, you are gone.
    If you touch any of the waitresses or are mean to them in any way, you are gone.
    If you argue with a bartender or try to steal drinks, you are gone.
    If you strike anyone in front of me for any reason, you are gone.

    Be wary of the groups of young male friends who think it is cool to have punching in the arm contests and the like, in a packed bar, they get knocked into someone else, and the fun and games are over, stop it as soon as you see it. Likewise, as soon as the crowd starts to get a bad vibe, you need to find a way to stop it. Once bad things start in one part of the crowd, it tends to snowball and problems pop up all over.

    Never take anyone to the ground unless you absolutely have to and you know that you have backup coming.
    Picking someone up completely off the ground gets the point accross quite well that they are no longer wanted here and need to leave.
    Door frames and pillars are your friends, use them if you have to, sometimes drunks get really clumsy and run into the same thing, twice.
    I don't strike anyone unless I am getting my butt kicked. Use a come along or choke hold or pick em up, but unless I absolutely have to, I don't strike anyone. That being said, drunks fight dirty, you should too.
    Get a good small flashlight. It has tons of uses, especially in a dark club.
    Always know where your back-up is, and keep an eye on your co-workers. At times for us it is 30 watching 5,000, have thier back, and they will have yours. Even if it looks like they are controlling a drunk on the way out, it is always nice when you feel extra force helping you push someone out the door.

    If you are going to carry a firearm, get a very good holster and practice your retention, most of the time when I have my hands full with a drunk, I am glad I don't have a pistol on me to worry about.

    Sorry about the long post, but I have been doing this type of stuff in some capacity for the past 5 years, and a lot of this is stuff I wish people had told me before I had to find it out the hard way. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelicious View Post
    My DPSST certification will let me carry a baton, cuffs, spray, tac knife, tac light and strobe. I plan on packing these to work there.
    Are you going to conceal all this stuff? Bouncers generally don't look like uniformed security, unless they ARE uniformed security. Using a tool belt for the other stuff, you're gonna have to figure out a creative way to concceal your sidearm.
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    One other quick thing I thought of, if you have someone giving you problems as you help them leave (you aren't kicking them out, you are merely helping them find the door so they can leave) and you knock into a bunch of people because it is crowded, try to get a couple faces during the fray. On your way back to your work area, stop and talk to a couple folks and appologize for running into them. This can work wonders when it comes to getting the crowd on your side, and its just the polite thing to do.

    Also make friends with the big regulars.
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    The regulars like the bar and they like the people who work there. They do not want their good time interrupted.

    At a local hole in the wall, the "bouncer" is named Bud and he's in his late 50's. He's a tough old cuss but he's also the kind of guy who'll talk to you like your old man and your best friend. He'll say what needs saying and he has the experience to convince you to listen.

    One night, a couple guys were a bit rowdy at pool and Bud asked them to tone it down. He did this by shouting across the area from the door to the Pool table and one of the guys took exception to being yelled at. "What you gonna do about it, OLD MAN?" ... Bud's reply: "I figure I'll just hold the door for those gentlemen -->" Seems half the bar turned around and grinned at the troublemakers. They left on their own very quickly.
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    AWSOME AWSOME AWSOME advise guys! thank you all every much! Being as that Im not really a LEO "type" I really need to work on being agressive but firm. Im really a big teddy bear but can turn into a grizzly when needed. As for my side arm, i think for the first little while im going to leave it in the car. I really dont think I want to have to have my mind on it and the drunk at the same time. There will be 3-4 other bouncers working as well and Im sure will keep an eye on me untill i have proven myself. I am good with drunks because I like to let them talk, but in a situation like this, the owner has said, just get them to the curb as fast as possible and ill be happy. He does not need OLCC (Oregon licquer controll) in there handing out fines.

    Most of my gear will be consealed or atleast on my belt where i can controll them (as much as anyone can controll).

    The suggestion of using the pillars and door jams on someone was not appealing at first but I can see its uses. I know what its like to be drunk and to be kicked out of somewhere for being drunk and im sure glad I didnt run into a pillar.

    Thanks again guys, I will keep you updated on how my first nights go!
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