February 17th, 2007 02:13 PM
Do you still carry when ill?
I've been sick the past few days, some sort of bug got me.
It's got me thinking though, my body isn't the only thing incapacitated, my heads stuck in first gear too.
I'm usually acutely aware of my surroundings, I'm the guy with eyes in the back of my head. Right now I'm groggy and slow. And that's without even taking the medicine into consideration.
We all know that firearms shouldn't be mixed with drugs or alcohol, ethically and legally that is wrong. But today I'm probably just as slow as if I had been drinking.
So, my question is this, if you're ill and have to go out do you still carry? It might seem trivial, but could a prosecutor use this against a GG?
I know, I'm thinking too much. It's just something I want to throw out there in case you hadn't considered it already.
February 17th, 2007 02:15 PM
If meds caution about driving , heavy equipment, ect.. i do not carry , other than that i do .
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February 17th, 2007 02:22 PM
Does of course depend how rough we feel - biut certainly we all have a responsibility to make the decision not to carry at times if we feel impaired - same in a sense as if under influence of alcohol or med's etc.
Only we can make this decision unless out for the count! - and so it has to be an impartial judegment from an objective position - with honesty.
If I have a cough and cold and ''muzzy'' head but am otherwise sharp and in touch then I would not disarm. If however more as you describe, I felt sluggish, not very aware and actually impaired then very possibly I would not go out armed - if that is I had to venture out at all - probably not so likely.
We could however view one other angle - we are feeling bad but somehow a BG knows this and decides to invade home when you are vulnerable. Now we have a dilemma! This would have to be ''play it as you see it'' time - and hopefully still be sufficiently capable of defending oneself. The nightstand piece might well still have to come into play.
So yes - very possibly times we should consider not being armed if very unwell but as said - much will depend on honest objectivity in assessing oneself to reach the best conclusion.
Hope you soon feel better.
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February 17th, 2007 02:31 PM
There is a place for common sense and good judgment
I don't think it is proper to assume that all drugs (psychoactive or otherwise) necessarily make it wrong to carry. Neither is it appropriate to assume that because you feel slow from the crud of the week, that you could not act properly.
Originally Posted by 0.02
A person has to know themselves. They have to know how they are affected by things, and then use good judgment. Most of us are quite cautious and we know that many things can cloud judgment. We also know that in modest doses, some meds may enhance judgment by eliminating a tendancy toward having inappropriate fear. So, know yourself and do what is right.
I think a good rule of thumb is, when in doubt, don't.
In this case, you would not have raised the question if you felt well enough to carry. So don't.
February 17th, 2007 02:37 PM
I'm not carrying, I'm not going out. I'll go out when I feel well, and then it will be moot.
But there is a whole lot of gray area here, a whole lot.
February 17th, 2007 02:37 PM
It is a very big question - When you are least able to defend yourself, should you disarm yourself.
I went thru a very tough January (re-occurance of West Nile Virus), but never felt the need to disarm even though I was weak and not at the top of my game.
When on meds it is another matter, but even then almost all meds say don't drive, blah, blah, blah. Even my daily blood pressure meds got a double handful of warnings about not driving, operate heavy machinery and ad nausium and I was cleared by a flight surgeon to fly and carry passengers while taking those meds.
I am with P95. It really is a "play it as you see it" call.
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February 17th, 2007 02:44 PM
I just had a thought, which is to say I knew it all along but in my cloudy headed state it presented itself as something blindingly original.
If I'm well enough to drive, I am well enough to carry. They are both instances where I am responsible for potentially harmful apparatus, and there are strict guidelines as to the use of intoxicants.
So there we have it, if I'm well enough to go to the range then I am well enough to carry.
As for HD, there is no way under the sun I would ever be too ill for that, I'm sure if I was in bed recovering from surgery I'd at least have a Kel-Tec hidden somewhere.
February 17th, 2007 03:58 PM
Typically, if I am taking a med for the first time (which isn't very often since it takes the wife several months of nagging to get me to a doctor for most anything), I will take them on a day when I am not going out, so as to not be at any more of a disadvantage than I already am, being sick.
Once I see how the drug effects me, then I will take appropriate actions.
As far as just being sick, I don't fell (in most cases) that I am not up to snuff for the task at hand.
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February 17th, 2007 05:47 PM
Yes. Think of this from a "disparity of force" viewpoint: in such situations, you're more at a disadvantage and, in a sense, more vulnerable and at risk of being seen as such. That's more reason to be armed.
Do you still carry when ill?
During the few times I've required heavy meds (pneumonia, &c), I simply have avoided going out. Otherwise, am absolutely armed ... ill or not.
That thinking through scenarios is one thing that will help keep you alive. That's a good thing.
I know, I'm thinking too much.
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