Crime in libraries

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    Crime in libraries

    Inside Edition:

    http://tinyurl.com/39boyo

    Library Crimes
    ORIGINAL AIRDATE: 2/28/2007

    You go to a library to read, do research or study quietly. What you
    don't expect, are serious crimes.

    When police responded to an emergency call from a library in Des
    Moines, Iowa they found James Effler, a registered sex offender,
    barricaded in the library bathroom with a 20-month-old toddler. He
    is now serving life without parole for kidnapping and sexual assault.

    But this is not an isolated case. INSIDE EDITION found that crimes in
    libraries occur more often than you may think.

    In Ohio last year, a surveillance camera captured a man who was
    dressed as a woman committing a lewd act right in the middle of the
    library. He pleaded no contest.

    In a Denver library, a man was seen stumbling after being brutally
    stabbed in the neck by an out of control drifter who was loitering in
    the library.

    Casey Carr knows how dangerous libraries can be. In December of
    2001, when Casey was 11, he went to a library in Sacramento, Calif.
    after school to do homework. But Casey said 25-year-old Lloyd Dawkins
    kept bothering him.

    When Casey went to the bathroom, Dawkins followed him, forced him
    into a bathroom stall and assaulted him. Dawkins is now serving 16
    years in prison.

    So how bad is library crime? INSIDE EDITION examined over 2000
    library incident reports from 13 cities around the country in 2005.
    In Atlanta, there were 174 reports of theft, disruptive behavior and
    harassment. In Seattle, there were 45 reports of public intoxication
    and sexual misconduct, and in Cleveland there were 48 incidents of
    vandalism, theft and threats.

    Libraries are now investing in sophisticated security equipment, such
    as surveillance cameras.

    In Riverhead, New York, cameras taped a man stalking 85-year-old Ruth
    Seybolt who was visiting the library like she had done for more than
    20 years. He can be seen watching her movements, and then following
    her into an aisle where he brutally attacked her and stole her
    pocketbook.

    Seybolt was found unconscious on the floor and authorities initially
    thought she had simply fallen down. But her grandson, Robert Fox,
    who is a police officer, didn't believe it and insisted on seeing the
    security tapes

    Three months later Ruth Seybolt died from her injuries. Garner Allen,
    a previously convicted violent felon, was found guilty of her murder
    and sentenced to life behind bars.

    Fox says no one should assume they are safe just because they are in
    a quiet place like a library. "Anything can happen anywhere," he
    said. "There are bad guys everywhere."

    The president of the American Library Association told INSIDE EDITION
    that libraries are very safe, but cautions that they are open to
    everyone. Parents should accompany young children and establish
    rules and expectations for older children.
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    Yes indeed - nowhere can be assumed safe - library, church - anywhere.

    It is a sad fact that these days folks should be alert whatever their surroundings, simply because the unexpected can happen.
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    Talking

    I got hit over the head and knocked unconscious with a very heavy book in our local library.
    The book was titled:
    Crime And Understanding The Criminal Mind.

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    There are some simple, unavoidable principles in operation when it comes to crime:
    • Reduced ability to defend one's self lowers the risk to a criminal.
    • Fewer people around to hear/see a crime results in lower risk for a criminal.
    • Advertisement of an area as weapons-free doesn't actually disarm criminals of their weapons. Worse, it advertises to criminals that such an area is highly likely to be full of people who are otherwise disarmed. In short, it creates a weapons-free, free-fire zone for criminals. Sort of like having a minefield without any mines, while advertising it's mine-free. A fairly pointless exercise, all around.
    • Delays to be anticipated, if disarmed:
      • Await arriving police after calling them on the phone: 1min to whenever, depending on urgency and location.
      • Outrun the criminal to the nearest locked, defensible area: 1min or more, if you can find one.
      • Hope the pixie dust is working, today: a long, long wait.
      • Pray that the higher power plans days around your dilemmas and will actually intervene this time: for the rest of your natural life ... which might not be that long, actually, in the face of a violent attack.

    Nice to know the libraries are considering investing in video cameras. They can get the attacks and violations on film (with guaranteed full-frontal mugshots of all criminals, of course). In a large area where people simply refuse to take personal responsibility over their own security and well-being, I suppose that's the most that can be expected. Heck, it's a shot in the dark.
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    im pretty sure most CCW-issue states have no problem with licensee's carrying in public library's, barring school library's of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by briansmech View Post
    im pretty sure most CCW-issue states have no problem with licensee's carrying in public library's, barring school library's of course
    What the original poster was referring to was an effort by Newport News, VA to outlaw guns in public libraries.
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    i think kansas tried, maybe they actually did, outlaw guns in library's, regardless of carry status

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    Seriously paramedic...interesting thread and not something that I was aware of.
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    No carry in Kansas public libraries. I figured it was because shooting would disrupt the silence.
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    That's a 10-4 in Kansas. Seems stupid but that is the law for now. Steve48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve48 View Post
    That's a 10-4 in Kansas. Seems stupid but that is the law for now. Steve48


    am i wrong in thinking that considering CCW is new in Kansas (IIRC), that it could be worse?
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    A local library near me last fall took an official position that it's grounds are not allowable toward knives and otherwise weapons of any sort.
    They did this upon request of patrons being flipped out by sighting persons (students) walking through with folding/utility knives clipped inside their pockets or attached to backpacks.

    I might forward this item to them as an FYI.
    Good post!

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    P.S. - For those who need it the original URL for this story is; http://www.insideedition.com/ourstor...px?storyid=540
    Last edited by Janq; March 7th, 2007 at 01:03 PM.
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    not legal in Ohio either....

    public monies involved or some such excuse

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    Silly rules. They should have to justify why they exclude certain areas from CC. Doesn't make sense to exclude something like a library or other very open, public place. Makes me happy to live in Washington. Despite our liberal leanings in state/national votes, very few places are illegal to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p8riot View Post
    What the original poster was referring to was an effort by Newport News, VA to outlaw guns in public libraries.
    Exactly. I sent a copy of this to the City Council and Library Board of Trustees. Of course their bill got shot down, hopefully it won't come back next year. Gun rights used to be on a roll here in VA, but the last couple of years have been give and take, with little true advance.
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