"He's gonna get it anyway"

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    Angry "He's gonna get it anyway"

    Those words were spoken by a "self defense instructor" (their words not mine) on Good Morning America this morning discussing the trend to more property crimes becoming more violent. They were telling people not to fight back because "he's going to get it anyway. If you fight back he'll hit you a few times and still get it. All the while they were showing ladies who had fought back and succeeded. One of them was 83 years old!
    I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I had to go into the living room and back up the DVR to hear it again!!! First off they're calling muggings a property crime...then they're telling everyone to let the zombies take what they want and not to fight back.
    The self defense instructor was the icing on the cake. What is she doing...holding classes to teach sheep how to roll over and play dead? I can't stand people who spew this sludge into other peoples minds. Fine...if you want to play dead have fun. I'll just sit over here in the corner..patting my 1911 sitting snugly on my hip.

    They got a bigger rise out of the hosts when they guy came on with a theory about how television MIGHT cause autism. I'm thinking...no...but it might cause terminal stupidity

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post

    They got a bigger rise out of the hosts when they guy came on with a theory about how television MIGHT cause autism. I'm thinking...no...but it might cause terminal stupidity
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    No offense, but if your already watch GMA your TV is already starting to retard your brain.

    I suggest you let your 1911 does its job and kill your TV.
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    At Least Good Morning America Is Not Liberal...

    NOT...

    It's very difficult to watch anything other than Fox...most of the others lean so far to the left, I have to stack 6" of magazines under the corner of my TV to watch them...
    They all have a sheep mentality, they hate Bush (I haven't agreed with him on everything though...), and they seldom have an opposing view to debate their leftist points...

    OMO...yours may vary

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    No offense, but if your already watch GMA your TV is already starting to retard your brain.

    I suggest you let your 1911 does its job and kill your TV.
    If I "elvis"ed my TV then I'd have nothing to play Ghost Recon on

    watch is a bit to strong of a word. I work from home and leave the tv on for background noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    If I "elvis"ed my TV then I'd have nothing to play Ghost Recon on

    watch is a bit to strong of a word. I work from home and leave the tv on for background noise.
    I do the same with the background noise but after local news it usually gets flipped to 40-43 or 109-112 all good channels in that range: Animal Planet, History Channel, Nat. Geographic, Discovery Times, Military Channel, etc.

    I can't remember the last time my TV landed on ABC for anything other than a mistake.
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    "What goes around, comes around" is a fine phrase to think of others. I just hope I come 'round quickly and effectively the next time someone attacks (BTDT, a couple of prior occasions), lest I end up like this "instructor" thinks I should.

    def. Instructor: One with a license to teach.

    Doesn't mean the person or the message is worthy. Caveat emptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    If you fight back he'll hit you a few times and still get it.
    He can take whatever I have, but I'm NOT going down without a fight.

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    Too bad they didn't get a recognized expert like Massad Ayoob or Clint Smith or someone from Gunsite, but that would take to much investigative work for them
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    If ignorance is bliss there are so many happy people out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    What is she doing...holding classes to teach sheep how to roll over and play dead?
    Sounds like she's trying to turn the sheep into opossums.

    Our local PD has an officer who writes in the local paper regularly. We had an occasion of succesful self defense during a home robbery, and he wrote an article spewing the same crap line.

    "don't resist; hide and pretend your not home; call 911"

    I wrote him a not so nice letter, thanking him for giving criminals the go ahead, by telling the citizenry to hide and allow them to steal whatever they want. What an idiot.

    That's what socialists do. They need to create a populace unwilling or afraid to fight, therefore they need more powerful beuracracies to protect them. It's sickening.
    When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

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    If my mother were threatened, and giving up her purse was her only escape to safety I would hope she would hand it over. Even if I were armed, and I were convinced that handing over my wallet would make the 'threat' go away I would throw it to him/them. I would rather have to deal with canceling credit cards and getting a new license over having killed someone.

    Even unarmed, I'm ready to crack skulls when required. But deadly force is reserved for the protection of my family and myself, not my wallet or even my car for that matter (it's insured).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Footslogger View Post
    If my mother were threatened, and giving up her purse was her only escape to safety I would hope she would hand it over. Even if I were armed, and I were convinced that handing over my wallet would make the 'threat' go away I would throw it to him/them. I would rather have to deal with canceling credit cards and getting a new license over having killed someone.

    Even unarmed, I'm ready to crack skulls when required. But deadly force is reserved for the protection of my family and myself, not my wallet or even my car for that matter (it's insured).
    I'm guilty of believing that most people are usually telling me the truth when they talk to me. I'm the trusting sort. BUT, I will not believe that some scumbag who is robbing me is telling me the truth when he says he won't hurt me if I just give him what he wants.

    I've never met a robber, thief, mugger, you name it, who is the truthful, honest person who doesn't lie. Go ahead and give him your wallet, then you're betting your life that he has suddenly become a saint and won't hurt you. If you're lucky, maybe he will "just go away".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Footslogger View Post
    If my mother were threatened, and giving up her purse was her only escape to safety I would hope she would hand it over.
    How would she know it's a route to safety, let alone her only one? How would anyone, for that matter? Seriously: what signals, exactly, would provide the level of surety, to know that? Think it through.

    To my way of thinking, it's simply not possible to know whether a given action is or isn't a route to safety, when it comes to violent criminals. You roll the dice you takes your chances.

    Think about the psychology and motivations, for a moment. In simple point of fact, once the supposedly-full wallet or purse of valuables has been handed over, that's one less thing for the robber to be concerned over. One less element to stress him out. That means, he's now free to do what he came to do. If that so happens to be getting a payday (which has just occurred), great. Count your blessings and your amazing luck. But if you speak with many LEO's and review many write-ups of actual crimes, you'll find that money, alone, isn't the only motivator. Rather, it's very often the power trip. And in such situations, merely having more cash doesn't provide much juice for a hardened robber. To such criminals, a weak-kneed response like forking over the cash without drama simply isn't very fulfilling, psychologically.

    Think, again, about how the "training" goes in charm school (aka prison). Nobody in his/her right mind can believe that mere "talk" gets the job done. That's a place where force, or the threat of force, means everything. That's the training plan: to teach everyone the ways and means of the use of force, violence and tactics to get power over someone.

    Tossing a purse or wallet? For me, that's specifically to be done as a visual and tactical ruse, to buy time to go for the gun. It's not because I hold any meaningful hope that, in trade for the wallet, the robber will actually leave me alone. Particularly if a deadly weapon has been shown, I see few options. If that tossed purse/wallet means he turns away and keeps walking, great. But from the moment of tossing the wallet, I will be armed and ready to immediately terminate any next move against me.

    Frankly, there's a very good reason why common thievery is way down the totem pole, and why robbery is just shy of murder when it comes to aggressive, violent crimes and the related punishments for them. Being robbed can easily be the last thing you do.

    Be careful out there.
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    Hey, I work in TV Broadcasting....for one of the big 4 networks no less. And I don't watch that morning news crap. Not even for background noise.

    The closest I come to that is FOX Newschannel. At least they tend to lean towards the conservative side.

    And I do not care what anyone says...you hold me up, you are probably getting shot. No one is taking anything from me that is mine and I have worked hard to get. And no one is going to take from me at the thrwat of violence anything. Do that and you have opened the door to your demise.
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