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    And Europeans are culturally superior?

    From Le Figaro:

    America's problem with fire-arms represents a political issue for which they share responsibility. Here is a country that represents the vanguard of development and democracy while it is legal to carry a gun in 45 of 50 states, as long as the gun is not loaded. ...
    Huh???


    From Gremany's Bild:
    "Now we will probably begin discussing the overly lax gun laws in the United States. There, buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license."
    Oh really?


    I am amazed and at the same time I am not that much. They are journalists after all.
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    There is a lot of sibling rivalry across the Atlantic between Europe and the USA, too much.

    Let's all watch what we say while emotions are so raw after the murders yesterday, they do troll and snoop amongst us. Let's not validate there misguided prejudice against us with our own actions.

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    Ignorance on their part. They are just writing about things of which they know nothing. Sadly, as so often happens, many will take the misinformation as fact.
    eschew obfuscation

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    If you don't read the news you're uninformed. If you do read the news you're misinformed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 500Mag View Post
    If you don't read the news you're uninformed. If you do read the news you're misinformed.
    Hey now, I havent heard that one before... I like it. So true!
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    Europeans blaming Charlton Heston:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...477686,00.html

    ....Most seem to agree about one thing: The shooting at Virginia Tech is the result of America's woeful lack of serious gun control laws.In the strongest editorialized image of the day, German cable news broadcaster NTV flashed an image of the former head of the National Rifle Association, the US gun lobby: In other words, blame rifle-wielding Charlton Heston for the 33 dead....

    Papers reserve their sharpest criticism for the 2004 expiration of a 10-year ban on semi-automatic weapons under the then Republican-controlled Congress.....

    UK
    "The passionate feelings of the gun lobby may be traced to the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, enshrining 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms'. Although the provision stems from the times when 'well regulated militias' were deemed necessary to protect against a British attempt to regain the lost colonies, it is the default position of any argument against greater gun control here.".....

    "Doubtless there will be a call to review the availability of firearms. The National Rifle Association's (NRA) response is predictable too. They will point out that events such as this are not carried out by a rifle-wielding member of a weekend militia.....

    France:
    "The shooting at Virginia Tech ... is a dramatic episode of school violence that fits into a long series of such episodes, a series topped by the drama at Columbine, the school attacked by two adolescents in 1999 ..."....

    America's problem with fire-arms represents a political issue for which they share responsibility. Here is a country that represents the vanguard of development and democracy while it is legal to carry a gun in 45 of 50 states, as long as the gun is not loaded. ... At the end of 2004, the Republican-controlled Congress allowed a law to expire that prohibited the sale of semi-automatic and military weapons. Thereafter, legal changes were made to protect the producers and vendors of fire-arms from being held responsible for the actions of gun owners."....

    "Contrary to what one would imagine, this backward stance is not something left over from the Wild West. It goes back to the creation of the United States and the War of Independence against the English. ... While most states have issued laws designed to control the sale of arms, the NRA ensures they remain inefficient or are not applied. Strongly linked to the conservative fringe of the Republican Party, the NRA spent $400,000 a day to prevent the election of the Democratic candidate John Kerry during the 2004 presidential elections ...".....

    Italy:
    "Shocked psychologists and sociologists ask themselves how gun violence is to be explained. Some speak of the repressed violence of a country that goes back to generations of pioneers habituated to achieve justice on their own and which is forced to face the powerful tensions within a multiracial society. Others criticize the spread of violent video games (which are, however, a phenomenon that has only emerged in recent years). In any case, gun violence is becoming a common phenomenon in the United States, one that is no longer surprising. In major cities such as New York, the extension of surveillance measures, a tough approach to crime and measures to rebuild the urban fabric have led to a drop in crime and especially in the number of homicides.....

    "The bloodbath on the university campus is the work of a suicide killer -- an American suicide killer who, differently from Muslim killers, did not act out of religious motives but was driven instead by the unrest affecting broad layers of US society. America is a nation that has for some years been in danger of becoming more and more unloved in the world, especially in the poorest countries. During the period following World War II, America was seen as the guardian of democracy and was equated with the defense of liberty; today, America is a superpower that begins wars and lives with the constant necessity of having to defend itself against the enemy -- whether this enemy be called Islam or whether it bears the face of the neighbor who has done you wrong."....

    Spain:
    "The president of Virginia Tech called it a tragedy of monumental proportions. But similar comments could already be heard following previous tragedies of this kind. The shooting spree at the Columbine high school in Colorado, for instance, revived the debate on the necessity of better controlling access to weapons. This led to some laws being toughened and security at schools being improved. But the measures are decided by the individual states and are constantly side-stepped by means of an exaggerated interpretation of the US constitution.".....

    Germany:
    "Now we will probably begin discussing the overly lax gun laws in the United States. There, buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license. And a new ban on violent games and killer videos will also be put back on the agenda. But in the end, nothing is likely to happen. And the next killer already lives somewhere among us. But we have little reason to point an accusing finger at the Americans. Despite strict gun legislation, we (in Germany) have experienced the school shootings in Erfurt and Emsdetten. We have to consider the problems in our society. And we have to take care of our fellow humans."
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    And Europeans are culturally superior?
    Of course they are, Vichy-ism has spread continentally, and they certainly went after the Nazis with gusto........and with hookers, and wine, and cheese, and their neighbors.........what's not to admire?

    Simply proof that some were meant to be subjects, some citizens. Our problem is the spread of the "Subject-cult" over here.

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    the rest of the world reacts

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18149774/?GT1=9246


    i find it ironic that the english, who for all practical purposes, living as serfs again, think we have the problem. pardon me, but isn't our "genetic" predisposition for self-defense the thing that managed to save the collective european backside from disaster for last, i don't know, 100+ years?

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    "goes back to generations of pioneers habituated to achieve justice on their own and which is forced to face the powerful tensions within a multiracial society."

    What kind of crap is this??? I know great people of every race and creed the same as I know terrible people. Racial tensions?? These reports from Europe make it sound like the US is about to embroil itself into another Civil War.
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    The media in other countries are all blaming the 'US gun culture' for this crime. ...............but what about when it happens in the own country? Who's fault is it then?

    Australia-
    Martin Bryant (35) On Sunday April, 28, 1996 Martin, a 28-year-old wanna-be surfer with a history of mental problems went on a rampage through the historical town of Port Arthur in the southeastern corner of Tasmania. Packing his car with weapons and a surfboard, Martin headed to the ruins of Port Arthur's famous prison. Outside the Broken Arrow Cafe he muttered, "There's a lot of WASP's around today, there's not many Japs here, are there?" Then he entered the cafe, pulled out two expensive semi-automatic rifles from his tennis bag, and methodically shot at everyone inside.

    Once they were all dead he went out and murdered the driver of a tourist bus and shot at tourists around the site. After he walked back up the main road to his car. On the way he passed a woman who worked at the site with her two daughters. He murdered the woman, her toddler daughter and chased after the five-year-old and killed her. Then drove up to the admission booth of the site, murdered the people working there, and shot at people driving by.

    Next he drove to the gas station, murdered someone in a passing car, forced a driver into the trunk of his car and drove to a small bed-and-breakfast. By the time he left the colonial prison ruins and their vicinity, 32 tourists lay dead and 18 others were wounded; 20 were killed in a cafeteria, another 12 on the roads surrounding the historic ruins.

    Israel-
    Baruch Goldstein (29) In February 1994, Goldstein gunned down 29 Arab worshippers at al-Ibrahimi mosque. The shrine, the traditional burial place of the biblicial Abraham, is also revered as the Cave of the Patriarchs.

    The segment of Shuhada Street - Martyrs' Street - opened today had been closed to Palestinian traffic except ambulances and municipal vehicles since February 1994, when Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish settler and immigrant physician from New York City, gunned down 29 Muslim worshipers in a Hebron mosque.

    Israel feared that the street, which passes by heavily guarded compounds where 500 Jewish settlers live, would be the scene of Palestinian retribution. Palestinian traffic is still prohibited from the part of Shuhada Street directly in front of the settler enclaves.

    Five years after the massacre, Israel opened the main road in the West Bank city of Hebron to Palestinian traffic that, strangely had been closed to Palestinians after the massacre even though the gunman was Jewish.

    Scotland-
    Thomas Hamilton (17) An avid gun collector and disgraced scoutmaster, Hamilton was known as "Mr. Creepy" by the boys in Dunblane, Scotland, a village 40 miles from Edinburg. Disliked by all his neighbors, Tom enjoyed taking pictures of young boys with their shirts off. His fixation with young boys eventually got him dropped by the Boys Scouts. In the 1980s he sponsored boys' athletic clubs but it just wasn't the same. Sadly, Hamilton never got over being dropped as a scoutmaster. After nearly twenty years, he was still seething with anger. A week before his deadly rampage Thomas wrote a letter to Queen Elizabeth II complaining about a campaign to ruin his reputation. The shame was just too much for him.

    On March 13, 1996, Hamilton walked to the Dunblane Primary School with payback in mind. Armed with four guns, he burst into the gymnasium where 29 children were attending class. The vengeful ex-scoutmaster systematically slaughtered 16 kids, their teacher and then shot himself. Another teacher and a dozen other students were wounded during the rampage. The children, ages 5 and 6, were sitting in circles on the floor playing when Hamilton started firing. 13 kids died instantly. Three more died later in the hospital. Surrounded by bodies of the dead and dying, 43-year-old Hamilton turned the gun on himself and put a bullet through his brain.

    England-
    Michael Ryan (16) On 19 August 1987, 27-year-old Michael Ryan shot to death 16 people and wounded 14 others in the small farming community of Hungerford, approximately 60 miles west of London. After a "Rambo style" blood fest through the streets of Hungerford, he entrenched himself in a school building where he ended his life with a gunshot to his head.

    The gunman, a loner who lived with his elderly mother, loved guns and television violence. The killing spree started in a forest outside of Hungerford. Wearing combat fatigues Ryan killed a woman who was preparing a picnic for her two children. Then he drove back to his house and killed his mother and the dog and torched the place. For the next two hours Ryan moved through the town, randomly killing or wounding everyone he met.

    Ryan's rampage ended at the John O'Gaunt High School. Despondent over having killed his mom and his dog, Ryan commented "I wish I had stayed in bed". After 4 hours and several talks with the police Mike ended his life with the last round in his 9-mm. pistol.

    After his deadly rampage the British government took steps to end the right to wear firearms, and to curtail television violence.

    France-
    Genildo Ferreira de Franca (15) Pissed off at being called homosexual by his former father-in-law, Genildo Ferreira de Franca, a former soldier, went on a 22-hour murderous rampage killing 15 people in São Gonçalo do Amarante, a town on the outskirts of Natal, 1,800 miles northeast of São Paulo. The dead included his ex-wife, her parents, his current wife and his mother-in-law.

    Genildo, 27, armed with automatic pistol, a .38-caliber revolver with a silencer and wearing the customary mass-murdering camouflage, started his shooting spree the afternoon of May 21,1997, when he killed a taxi driver he suspected of being the lover of his former wife. After stuffing the body in the trunk of the car, he visited and killed his ex-wife, her parents and took his 5-year-old daughter Nayara hostage. With another hostage going along for the ride, 16-year-old Valderice Ribeiro da Silva, he lured people into the cab to go to a party and instead took them to a wooded area to kill them.

    Canada-
    Marc Lepine (15) Marc loved guns and hated women, a combination that proved fatal in the fall of 1989. Marc went to the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal dressed in typical mass-murdering fatigues looking for "feminists". In the twenty minutes that followed, he became Canada's reigning Mayhem King by killing fourteen female students and a school secretary, saving the last bullet for himself. He shot his first female in the hallway, then walked into a class, asked the men to leave and shouted "You're all a bunch of feminists! I hate feminists!" He killed six of them. With a big smile on his face he proceeded to kill three more "feminists" in the cafeteria and four on another floor before blowing his head off.

    Egypt-
    Saber & Mahmoud Farahat Abu el-Ulla (13) On September 18, 1997, the two brothers attacked a bus outside the Egyptian Museum in Cairo leaving nine German tourist and their Egyptian driver dead. Not a novice slayer, Saber was incarcerated in a mental hospital for killing two Americans and a Frenchman at a Cairo hotel in 1993. In light of the bus rampage closely following his release from custody, three doctors, two nurses and six other hospital staffers are are being tried for negligence and accepting bribes.

    France-
    Eric Borel (13) A bored French teenager, Eric woke up a Sunday morning with death on his mind. On September 24, 1995 Borel killed his mother, stepfather and brother with a hammer and a baseball bat. Then he picked up his .22-caliber hunting rifle, walked six miles to the village of Cuers and opened fire in a parking lot outside a bank and in the town square. During his half-hour morning rampage, he killed seven more people and wounded nine others before putting a bullet through his head. Two of the wounded died later in the hospital. Neighbors said the teenager was taciturn and probably upset over his father's recent death from cancer. The posters of Hitler and other neo-Nazi themes plastered all over his room also might have fueled his rage.

    New Zealand-
    David Gray (13) New Zealand's worst mass murderer. In November 13, 1990, David slaughtered 13 people during a 24-hour rampage in the hamlet of Aramoana, a tiny seaside settlement in the province of Otago, near Dunedin in the South Island. He was finally shot dead by police.

    Japan-
    Sadamichi Hirasawa (12) A Japanese artist, Sadamichi poisoned 12 bank employees during a robbery.

    Jordan-
    Saeed Qashash (12) On June 6, 1999, Saeed Qashash, a 20-year-old Jordanian convicted of shooting to death 11 members of his family and a friend , was hanged in his prison cell. Saeed Qashash was executed shortly before dawn at Swaqa Prison, 60 miles south of the capital, Amman. Qashash was sentenced November, 1998, for gunning down a classmate and 11 relatives, including his parents. He confessed to the murders, saying his family had pestered him to pass his final school exams. After the shooting, Qashash hid the bodies behind a brick wall in the basement of his family home. He was arrested days later. In addition to his parents and friend, Qashash killed his two brothers and four sisters, a brother-in-law and two nephews, ages two and three.

    Brazil-
    Drug Rampage in Sao Paulo (11) On June 17, 1998, three heavily armed men opened fire in a bar in the Francisco Morato neighborhood on the outskirts of Sao Paulo while people were celebrating Brazil's 3-0 victory over Morocco in the World Cup. Eleven people died -- including three women -- and three others were seriously wounding. Police said they believe the killings were drug related. They said most of the dead had been shot in the head.

    Canada-
    Mark Chahal (9) Straight from the wedding-guest-from-hell-file. Mark walked into a pre-wedding gathering of his estranged wife's family in Vernon, British Columbia, and killed his wife, her sister-- the bride-to-be-- and seven of her relatives. Two others were wounded, an elderly woman and a 6-year-old girl. After the massacre the chagrined husband drove a rental van back to the motel where he was staying, scribbled a short apology and killed himself. The stunned groom heard of the rampage en route to the wedding.

    France-
    Richard Durn (8) On March 27, 2002, a man sat silently through a six-hour Nanterre city council meeting, then rose and started firing two semiautomatic Glock pistols, methodically killing eight city officials and wounding 19 more people. The shooter, Richard Durn, was also packing a Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum revolver, which he did not use. Durn was restrained by witnesses after an official threw a chair at him. That official was seriously wounded when the Durn managed to free one of his free hands and continued firing. When police arrived, the rampager begged them to kill him. Nanterre is a working-class neighborhood near a business district of western Paris.

    Japan-
    Mamoru Takuma (8) On June 8, 2001, Mamoru Takuma Armed with a kitchen knife,burst into an elementary school in Osaka, Japan, slashing eight children to death and wounding 18 other children and three adults. Takuma, 37, was subdued by a vice principal and a teacher before police arrived. He was arrested at the scene, but was taken to a hospital, reportedly with self-inflicted injuries. The victims -- six girls and two boys -- were first- or second-grade students, ranging in age from 6 to 8. Two children were killed immediately and another six died at hospitals after the attack. Six more victims were in serious condition.


    Russia-
    Russian Bath House Massacre (8) Five men and three young women were shot dead as they were having a birthday party in the sauna of a bath house in the Urals city of Nizhny Tagil. The causes of the massacre were simply that there were not enough girls to go around. As the lucky men paired off in different parts of the sauna, the unlucky ones flew into a drunken rage.

    Australia-
    Wade Frankum (8) In 1991 taxi driver Wade Frankum killed 8 people when he sprayed his chinese assault rifle in a suburban shopping mall in Strathfield, Australia. Then he killed himself.

    Australia-
    Frank Vitkovic (8) Like the U.S., Australia has also had it's share of postal rampages. In 1987 Melbourne law student Frank Vitkovic rampaged through an Australian Post Office building killing 8 and injuring 17 before leaping to his death from the 11th floor.

    Australia-
    Julian Knight (8) A failed Australian military cadet, Julian shot his way into infamy on August 7, 1987, as he mowed down 7 and wounded 19 on a busy Melbourne street. After his arrest, the 19-year-old maniac blamed the military for his rampage: "They trained me to kill, and I killed." At one with his role of media star, Julian criticized local police for their slow response to his attack and announced plans to write the definitive account of his rampage, casting himself as the hero.
    Two morals to this story:
    1) bad things can happen ANYWHERE, not just the USA.
    2) people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
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    Here is another one that just happened:

    Nagasaki, Japan, mayor is gunned down. In a country with a total gun ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    Of course they are, Vichy-ism has spread continentally


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