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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky View Post
    Assume everyone is incompetent till they prove otherwise.
    That wisdom needs repeating so I quoted it.

    Lima, the range I go to has the rules on the lane dividers for easy reference so you might consider them tehre as well. Doesn't mean most will bother to read them, but you might, over time, tighten some of them up. I review them with my kids every time I take them to the range to be sure they remember it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    I wonder how many times it will take before it sticks.
    Death is when it sticks. Often, not until then. Sad fact of life, so long as people are allowed through the doors to touch a firearm without first having proven their safety understanding. Ditto on the comment about assumptions: assume the worst until proven otherwise. Yup.

    About the best I've seen is one shop that has tough zip-ties on the actions of each gun out for display. That means, no cycling until the employee is assured that safety is the #1 priority of the person being introduced to that gun. Even that has no guarantees, but it would require me to come in with a loaded magazine of the sort that would fit into the gun I'm handling. So, relatively safe.
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    Ditto: ccw9mm - great addition.
    Get some Nylon cable ties...(hardware store item) and keep a pair of good ol' wire nippers handy.
    Then firearms only get cycled when employees are ready to have them cycled.

    A couple gun shops I've been in fairly recently have started putting cable ties on shelved firearms to prevent possible goofballs from walking in and either popping rounds into revolver cylinder chambers or popping in a loaded mag that they bring in on their person.
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    Your job is much more forgiving of morons than mine, usually after the first time they make a big "boo-boo" they are helped to leave and told to never return.

    With the group of morons that seem to show up repeatedly, maybe you should do something more than lecture them, maybe make them not be able to use the range for a few months of something (or until they prove competence with firearm safety), you and another employee will definately remember their face.

    As far as the "I didn't know it was loaded guy", there is no excuse for that.
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    "Rule 1:
    Treat all guns as if they were loaded."-limatunes

    "rule 1:
    ALL guns are ALWAYS loaded." number one of the FOUR RULES.

    Take care at your job, cause no one else is gonna.

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    Lima, you are learning something about people that helped me decide to leave EMS. These people would never survive in a "survivial of the fittest" world. I began to feel guilty about saving idiots who really had their injuries coming to them. By letting them reproduce, we were only letting them make more idiots. Thinking of the greater good of humanity, some of these people should've been "let go." Just let nature take it's course...
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    Those are some scary tales, especially the wife pointing an uncleared weapon at her husband.

    This is the kind of thing that happens when people are never taught firearm safety. They know only what they have seen others do (most likely, actors), and literally don't know any better.

    Mr. "I didn't know that was in there" is exactly why I have my own 5th rule that I practice and require of anyone who shoots with me or handles my guns.
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    5. Check and clear any weapon that enters or leaves your hand.
    This applies if you are handing off a gun, demonstrating action, picking up a gun from a table (even if you "just put it down for a second"), or any other time.

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    Ya like two years ago, me and my dad were shooting at a range, when a guy was loading his handgun at a table behind the lanes (big no no in this range) and when he turned around to walk back to the lane he swept the loaded gun muzzle by an off duty officer, who in not so many words told the man to never do that again or he would be escorted out by him or shot for endangering everyone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Sometimes it purely amazes me that there are not MORE firearm accidents, and while I certainly would never wish such an accident to happen to anyone, I quiver at the thought of these people generally handling firearms.

    Just when I thought I’ve seen it all, someone double wields and rabid fires a Glock 17 and an XD-9 hitting the ceiling and the walls. Someone else tries to rapid fire a Desert Eagle .50 AE and ends up dropping the gun. Another individual screams and drops his gun after getting a good dose of slide bite from a poor grip.

    I love my job, but I certainly hope I don’t get shot doing it!
    And people thing EOD is dangerous!!

    Sure doesn't make me want to work at a range, sounds like the shop should supply vests as required Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to all employees.

    Be careful out there.
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    I hunt as well. I am VERY selective as to who I will take hunting, since the field is much more dynamic than a square range. My dad taught me to have zero tolerance for idiots with guns.
    Its scary to hunt on public land, especially rifle deer season. Too many people ...............
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    Good post lima - once more simply bringing to everyone's attention how many careless idiots are around.

    Anyone I take shooting gets the four rules - no matter how long they have been shooting. I make no apology for doing so and explain that I have no wish to insult intelligence but ..... where safety is concerned it has to be as total as we can make it.

    Keep those eyes of yours peeled and do not be afraid to offend folks by hammering home safety rules - you may well be saving them from not only themselves but averting a potential future tragedy.
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    Hubby and I were talking about this all last night.

    I agree that people do what they see in the movies (after all, most of the time it's their only education). In the movies you see the person get shot fifteen times before he dies. You see our hero walk straight up to a crazy holding a loaded weapon and try to talk them down when in actuality they'd probably be going poopy in their pants.

    People don't respect firearms because they have NO idea what firearms are capable of. They put holes through pieces of paper.. okay, my pen can do that.

    It's not until you've seen the entrance and exit wounds on a deer or even a human being with his side missing (my brother accidentally shot himself in the left side in a hunting accident) or seen something die as a result of a gun-shot wound, that it REALLY starts to sink in that guns warrant ALL of the respect that you can give them.

    I never Never NEVER assume a weapon is clear if someone hands it to me. I don't care if they tell me 100 times that the gun is empty, and I certainly don't care if I offend them by clearing it myself.

    Because of a Accidental Discharge that happened at work years before I started working there, there is a policy that any weapon that is brought in by a customer will not be cleared by the customer. They will leave the gun in the case, or in a holster and the staff will clear the weapon.

    Sometimes it takes a little reminding of some customers, but for the most part it works out very well.

    When we encountered the (shall I say) fool who was double wielding the glock 17 and the XD-9, my colleague put on his ear protection to rush out and stop him and the only thing I could say to him as he opened the door was, "Shoot back if you have to."

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    "Shoot back if you have to."


    At our IDPA matches we used to have a set of "funny" safety rules' speech that went something like this:

    RULE ONE: Don't Shoot Me.
    RULE TWO: Don't Shoot Anybody Else.
    RULE THREE: Don't shoot yourself.

    Please at least follow rules 1 and 2. We really don't care if you don't follow Rule 3.
    PS: Violations of Rules 1 and 2 might mean we will shoot back.
    After that, the official Safety Speech was given with utmost seriousness and crappy gunhandling was not tolerated.
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    RULE ONE: Don't Shoot Me.
    RULE TWO: Don't Shoot Anybody Else.
    RULE THREE: Don't shoot yourself.

    Please at least follow rules 1 and 2. We really don't care if you don't follow Rule 3.
    PS: Violations of Rules 1 and 2 might mean we will shoot back.
    Sounds very practical. It's simple and it's clear. It's also how the real world actually works. Hand-in-hand with the normal (big four) safety rules and other elements, I'd think it's perfectly suited to training with firearms.

    Only humankind, in our infinite wisdom, has sought to exempt ourselves by virtue of our shining worthiness to be exempt. In the end, though, if someone goes ballistic and shoots others, all others who are present do indeed reserve the right to protect themselves to the degree necessary, even to halt the actions of the shooter by the means necessary to halt them. It's true on the street. It's equally true everywhere else, including at a gun store, or on a range. Though, that said, I'd think everyone would go with the initial assumption that mere negligence (and not criminal intent) was the cause of the shooting, unless the shooter proved otherwise, at which point I'd hope a small number of folks would take care of the problem quickly.
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