The Cost of Illegals

This is a discussion on The Cost of Illegals within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by maclean3 What really ticks me off is, I've paid into Social Security my entire working career but now that I'm physically unable ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclean3 View Post
    What really ticks me off is, I've paid into Social Security my entire working career but now that I'm physically unable to work (due to injuries I got ON THE JOB), Social Security has denied my claim for disability benefits TWICE! I'm currently appealing the decision for the second time and awaiting a court hearing (with an attorney on my side) but I've been fighting this since January of 2005. Now, if I were morbidly obese or an alcoholic I'd have been approved the first time around but since it's injury related I'm SOL ... and yet, illegals get Government benefits? I passed angry about two years ago.
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    I understand your frustration, and not to be rude but, not all alcoholics collect social security. In fact most of them don"t, I know as most of my friends are SOBER alcoholics, as am I , I haven't had a drink in MANY years, I pay my taxes, my social security etc, etc. always have,always will. Please don't lump us all togeather as the trenchcoat wearing, wine bottle swilling street drunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    ..How are you going to force 12 million people out of your country? It's clear there is no will to do and that many decent people would get screwed, can you really blame them for wanting to leave Mexico right now? My Mexican friend moved to the US, he is legal and she can't get legal despite their best efforts.

    However an amnesty without a longterm solution attached is merely a bandaid on a gangorus leg that will continue to fester.

    By the way can we send you back all of the useless Vietnam draft dodgers and the few but vocal Iraqi war deserters? Most who seem quite happy to use our welfare system!!

    We wouldn't have to round them up if we did the following things:

    If we secured the border against anyone coming into the USA.

    Went after the businesses hiring illegals with a vengence (say all the money they made from work done by those illegals for at least a year, plus penalties for tax fraud).

    Deported any illegal found in the day to day functions of government to the part of their country farthest from the USA after confiscating their money.

    And finally - prohibited the transfer of funds from individuals to Mexico, Central & South America, they would all leave.


    But if we did want to round them all up, all we would have to do is put a bounty on every illegal turned into the government. You would be amazed how fast that would work.


    Send the draft dodgers back - they can do the work the illegals used to until they repaid your government for the welfare benefits they used!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    We wouldn't have to round them up if we did the following things:

    If we secured the border against anyone coming into the USA.

    Went after the businesses hiring illegals with a vengence (say all the money they made from work done by those illegals for at least a year, plus penalties for tax fraud).

    Deported any illegal found in the day to day functions of government to the part of their country farthest from the USA after confiscating their money.

    And finally - prohibited the transfer of funds from individuals to Mexico, Central & South America, they would all leave.


    But if we did want to round them all up, all we would have to do is put a bounty on every illegal turned into the government. You would be amazed how fast that would work.


    Send the draft dodgers back - they can do the work the illegals used to until they repaid your government for the welfare benefits they used!

    EXACTLY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    The problem you guys face is that your government has ignored the problem till it's almost impossible to fix. What I see needs to be done. is to:
    Set up a decent guest worker program
    Fix the legal immigration system, last I heard you had a 4 million person backlog and growing.
    Start securing the border better.

    You are going to have to declare some kind of amnesty, I suggest giving conditional citizenship to people that have been there for some time, have jobs and no record, these are the type that you will want as immigrants anyways.

    Is it fair? no but it is realistic.

    My wife came from Malaysia, I had to sponser her for 10 years and am personally responsible for $10,000 if she collects welfare and they do come after the sponsers!
    "NO AMNESTY", I'd rather ship'em home or lock'em up either works for me after seeing them march in my city demanding we give them back Texas and waiving Mexican flags in my face. Seeing all the benefits they are getting at the expense of citizens and legal residents just makes me steaming mad. It's never too late to resolve the problem, the solution will just become more violent as this drags out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    Send the draft dodgers back - they can do the work the illegals used to until they repaid your government for the welfare benefits they used!

    Great idea, what's your address??

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    A border runs through it: Tiny town worries feds
    Story Highlights• Vermont town sits on U.S.-Canda border, has unguarded streets that cross it
    • Town's library is in both countries; one water system serves both sides of border
    • Border Patrol worried smugglers will take advantage of low-key border crossing
    • "There have been some significant cases," officer says

    DERBY LINE, Vermont (AP) -- Step through the front door of the Haskell Library and you're in the United States.

    Walk across the carpeted floor to the circulation desk and you're in Canada. But if you sit down on the couch, you're back in the U.S.

    The 106-year-old Romanesque building, which straddles the international border, has enjoyed a kind of informal immunity from border restrictions through the years.

    But a U.S. Border Patrol crackdown focusing on three unguarded streets linking Derby Line with Stanstead, Quebec, across the border, could soon change that.

    "There's been an increase in illegal activity, both north and south, in the last little while," said Mark Henry, the operations officer for the Border Patrol's Swanton sector, which runs across northern New York, Vermont and New Hampshire. "There have been some significant cases."

    Under the crackdown, instead of parking their cars outside the library in Quebec and walking to the front door in the U.S., Canadian patrons would have to detour through one of two ports of entry linking the municipalities.

    It's not far, though people are leery about the change.

    "For as long as I've lived here, the practice was if they were only going to the library, they didn't have to report," said village trustee Keith Beadle, who also sits on the library board.

    If the streets are closed, smugglers will just walk across lawns or through the woods, Beadle said.

    No decisions have been made yet, but U.S. and Canadian authorities are holding a series of meetings with officials from both communities.

    "This all fits in to the larger picture of the Border Patrol strategy to gain operational control of our borders," Henry said.

    Grocery shoppers not the target
    Cpl. Luc Bessette, a spokesman for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, said: "I don't think they're aiming at people who go pick up groceries and come back. It's people that want to use this in a bad way."

    Smugglers have learned the side streets are unguarded, and while surveillance cameras monitor activity on other streets, border agents on both sides can't always get there in time when illegal activity is spotted.

    Recently, two vans carrying 21 illegal immigrants were caught in the U.S. after having crossed over on one of the unguarded streets.

    What exactly would change in the crackdown remains to be seen.

    "We don't know what the outcome would be," said Pierre Dussault, Stanstead's general director.

    Even though Derby Line and Stanstead are separate municipalities, they share water and sewer systems and emergency crews, which respond to calls on both sides of the border.

    'Quite the rats' nest'
    In the town of Beebe Plain, about three miles west of Derby Line, the border runs down the middle of Canusa Avenue, a residential street.

    Houses on the south side fly American flags and cars with green Vermont license plates sit in the driveways. Across the street, a sign says "Arrêt" (French for "stop") and cars have white Quebec plates. Anyone who crosses the street without reporting to its customs houses can be prosecuted.

    "This is quite the rats' nest, if you think about it," said Pat Boisvert, 66, who has lived in the same house -- on the Vermont side -- his whole life.

    Boisvert said residents never used to notice the border, but life along it has since changed.

    "It was like it wasn't even there, especially for people who lived around here," he said.

    Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.








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