Very Sad - Life Lesson

Very Sad - Life Lesson

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    Very Sad - Life Lesson

    Please avoid any disparaging remarks about LEO.

    But this should be food for thought on Firearms Safety.

    EASTON, Pa. (AP) -- A police officer who accidentally shot and killed a colleague inside the police station has been awarded a disability pension and medical coverage for life....

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    I certainly won't be the first to cast stones.

    Very sad story!

    He took the safety off before the gun was on target. Something so trivial in action yet so devastating in effect.

    If he were carrying a Glock, he still could have lost his grip on the gun and shot the other guy but no one would be questioning whether he violated department policy or not.

    As for the pension, I can see both sides (sorta) but if he would have been denied a pension, it would be sending a signal to all LEO's that if you prove to be human and make a mistake, you are screwed.

    Since there is no evidence to show otherwise, let's assume that he is a good, caring human being. He will relive this tragedy over and over for the rest of his life. He is already being punished.

    By a 6 to 1 vote with the only no vote being a politician. . . . I say the panel has decided and we can move on.

    The sad thing is we are taught never to try to grab a gun in mid air when we lose control of it but it is such a reflexive action, how can you have such presence of mind to counter such a natural relex?
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    We had such a tragedy here a few years back. It involved two LEOs, a new pistol and showing the gun off at a party. This just goes to show that a tragedy can happen any time safety rules are lax.

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    Terrible thing that happened. He will be haunted and tormented with the memory of that forever.
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    That's terrible. He's going to have to live with it to boot. Although it brings an interesting question to my mind. If I were to drop a weapon..whether the safety was on or not, I wonder if it would be better to just let it drop instead of grabbing for it on the way down with the potential of grabbing the trigger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    That's terrible. He's going to have to live with it to boot. Although it brings an interesting question to my mind. If I were to drop a weapon..whether the safety was on or not, I wonder if it would be better to just let it drop instead of grabbing for it on the way down with the potential of grabbing the trigger?
    I hope I am quick enough to remember to just let it drop. If that situation ever comes up.

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    It is a sad, sad thing.
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    That is a shame.
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    It is unnatural to let it hit the floor. Although the one time I dropped my Glock, my reflexes weren't fast enough to catch it. Who knew slow reflexes could be a good thing!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by incredipete View Post
    It is unnatural to let it hit the floor.
    It's unnatural to do a lot of things involving firearms, but we overcome this through training. Perhaps we need to practice dropping our pistols?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    It's unnatural to do a lot of things involving firearms, but we overcome this through training. Perhaps we need to practice dropping our pistols?
    SORRY....
    but I am not going to drop my gun on purpose. To expensive of a weapon. Fortunatly in my current and past jobs I have had to learn to fight the normal instincts in order to keep others or myself from getting hurt.
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    Man, that is scary. I can see how that could happen. There have been two times when went to pick the gun up off the nightstand and accidentally dropped it. One time I dropped it and as I realized that I had lost my grip, I had an instinctive thought flash through my head that I should just let it drop instead of trying to grab it again, so I opened my hand and jerked it away as the gun fell. Scary, but zero chance of a ND. It is a Glock and it won't go off without squeezing the trigger. However, the second time I mishandled it, I instinctively grabbed it as it fell, and that actually shook me up more than the first time the gun dropped. Thankfully my finger wasn't anywhere near the trigger, but after I grabbed it, I just stood there and stared at the gun and the position of my fingers and thought about how that could have ended very badly. I don't know for sure why my instincts didn't work properly the second time I dropped it, but I think it may have had something to do with the fact that I was somewhat mentally distracted.

    Whenever a gun is being handled, the individual should keep their undivided attention on the weapon until it is secure. I think the first time I fumbled the gun, it was just a motor skills thing and I didn't get a good grip on it, but my mind was focused enough on the gun and safety that I knew I should NOT try to grab it as it was falling. The design of a Glock is such that it is impossible to make the gun fire without pulling the trigger, so an impact will not result in a ND. The second time, I think maybe my mind was distracted and that is why I did the wrong thing as the gun fell, and also why the gun fell in the first place. I am usually very particular and precise about how I pick up my gun in the morning, and how I put it down at night. Knowing that my Glock doesn't have a safety makes me much more careful.

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    Does anyone know the make/model of firearm involved?

    (great--This is posted on post #666)

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    Make and model please!

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    If dropped with thumb safety off and allowed to fall Wouldn't grip safety prevent ND ?
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