Another Route to Gun Control?

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    Another Route to Gun Control?

    While everybody is fixated on the Brady Bunch and the evil machinations of Schumer, Clinton, Kennedy and McCarthy there is another movement underway to curtail the means of access to those "sporting areas" and there might not be a remaining use of the sporting sort! This impacts all sorts of sporting activities....

    Free My Ride, a project of Center for Individual Freedom [www.cfif.org], is a coalition of concerned drivers, auto enthusiasts and all who believe it is wrong for Washington to meddle with the rights of automobile owners to buy and operate the vehicles they want and need. http://freemyride.org/news-center

    The farmer’s pick-up truck, the family van, the outdoorsman’s SUV and the commuter’s full size sedan are being attacked by the federal government for political reasons. Despite government claims, new fuel economy rules will not significantly diminish gasoline consumption, conserve energy or make a dent in “global warming” issues.

    Elitists the world over demonize American drivers and automobiles as enemies of the environment and wasters of precious resources for choosing vehicles that best fit our needs. Typically, our politicians are kow-towing to these elitists, and their threats of onerous new sanctions are the result. Free My Ride will guarantee that America’s drivers have an equally strong voice in Washington.

    We will ensure the government understands that vehicle utility is, for many of us, critical to our livelihood and an essential part of how we live.

    We will resist the government effort to make our vehicles smaller, less functional and more dangerous.

    We will vigorously protest vehicle cost increases dictated by the government’s obsession with fuel economy increases that will not achieve their purpose.

    We will fight taxes hidden in the form of higher costs due to mileage and fuel economy standards that also threaten the utility of our vehicles and the safety of our families.

    We will counter the distortions of extremists who want to shrink our engines and render our pickup trucks useless. We will not be bullied by activists more interested in fighting the American way of life than about clean air and water.

    Free My Ride will defend our cars, pickup trucks, SUVs and minivans. You buy them, you use them, you like them, and you don’t need to apologize for it.

    Join us in this fight. Keep our vehicles free from government interference.
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    I'm not sure if this is the place to debate this issue, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree that higher fuel mileage standards wouldn't decrease fuel consumption.

    Unfortunately, the American way of life has it's flaws. From fast food to wasting more energy than most nations use, we ARE responsible for environmental problems as well as high gas prices. I've no problem with owning a truck and using it when you need it, but so many people drive a big empty truck to work in an office it's pathetic. Than they complain about politicians causing high fuel prices. It would be less profitable to conspire to keep fuel prices high if we didn't use so doggone much of it. The American driver has a full share of responibility for fuel prices.

    Even if an American didn't care or believe the connection to global warming and other environmental problems, Every gallon of fuel consumed fattens the coffers of terrorist supporting nations. It is very bad policy, Militarily, to pay for both sides of a war.

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    I'm in total agreement with gov't staying out of my vehicle choice, but can you enlighten me on how this relates to gun control? Surely, vehicles other than trucks can make it out to a shooting range. I'm confused.

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    I think it illustrates how Washington is becoming more driven by "Global" and fringe pressures to "Control" its populace for "Their own good" and the "Good of the World". The fixation on the "Feel Good Gore" types is a problem for gun owners, because it's just a matter of time until that pressure spills over to "weapons" of whatever purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    I think it illustrates how Washington is becoming more driven by "Global" and fringe pressures to "Control" its populace for "Their own good" and the "Good of the World". The fixation on the "Feel Good Gore" types is a problem for gun owners, because it's just a matter of time until that pressure spills over to "weapons" of whatever purpose.
    Hmmm. I think if this were true we would already have higher fuel standards. Just about all the other developed nations have standards 30% - 50% higher than ours. To me, the big disappointment is not what laws we have or don't, but that Americans refuse to take responsibility for just about anything.

    From environmental issues to the way corporations are run to the wages we demand we look only as far as is convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBrombach View Post
    Just about all the other developed nations have standards 30% - 50% higher than ours. To me, the big disappointment is that Americans refuse to take responsibility for just about anything.
    Actually, most other developed countries don't even have government mandated fuel economy standards. Instead, they just tax gasoline much more heavily than we do. It's interesting that for all the talk about free markets, the U.S. government regulates fuel economy directly, while nations that are a lot more socialist than we are just slap a tax on it and let the market do its work. Of course, we've gone this route because our elected officials were too cowardly to impose a tax directly, where people would see the cost and associate that pain with government officials. Instead, they chose to regulate this sort of thing at the level of the manufacturer, hiding the costs from the average consumer (but those costs are still there).

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    I've been driving the same pickup for 12 years. I want to buy a new one, but nobody, foreign or domestic, is producing a small truck that gets any better mileage. I know of several others who feel the same.

    Crap mileage is bad for the economy, bad for national security, and bad for the environment. If market forces aren't working, then we gotta do something. I hate government edicts, but this might just be an area where it is needed.
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    Referring to HUNTING...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    I'm in total agreement, but can you enlighten me on how this relates to gun control? Surely, vehicles other than trucks can make it out to a shooting range. I'm confused.
    Most folks need a decent 4x4 to get to the huntin' areas. Eliminate the method to get there and you reduce the hunting population to the few wealthy folks who can afford a guided hunt by horseback. The hunting rifle becomes the sniper rifle.

    Remember, too, that the main idea of gun control has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with CONTROL. People control.

    A nation of folks with woods skills (I'm not referring to the soccer moms and Land Rovers) and 4x4 vehicles is virtually impossible to control when it comes to movement.

    If everybody was restricted to travel on the hard surfaced roads it would be one heckuva lot easier to set up checkpoints and road blocks by anybody with such an interest and the manpower.

    OTOH 4x4 for any purpose, be it ranching/farming, hunting, camping or simply mudding around gives one the ability to move passengers and cargo (illicit weapons?) literally cross country and not just on unimproved roads where a decent VW Bug of the 1960s variety could slush around. If you really want to control the mass movement of any population what better way than to restrict access to the vehicles that make it possible.... all in the name of conservation and enviromentalism. 4x4 control is the precursor to serious gun control and then immediately following that....people control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    Actually, most other developed countries don't even have government mandated fuel economy standards. Instead, they just tax gasoline much more heavily than we do. It's interesting that for all the talk about free markets, the U.S. government regulates fuel economy directly, while nations that are a lot more socialist than we are just slap a tax on it and let the market do its work. Of course, we've gone this route because our elected officials were too cowardly to impose a tax directly, where people would see the cost and associate that pain with government officials. Instead, they chose to regulate this sort of thing at the level of the manufacturer, hiding the costs from the average consumer (but those costs are still there).

    True until relatively recently. Current requirements:

    -EU: 44mpg in 2008, projected to 48 in 2010 and 52 in 2012.
    -Japan: 48mpg in 2010.
    -China: 36mpg in 2008
    -Australia: 34mpg in 2010.
    -Canada: 32mpg in 2010.

    From an article in the New Observer newspaper.
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    Exclamation What do all requirements for mileage have in common (beyond the OBVIOUS)?

    Quote Originally Posted by LBrombach View Post
    True until relatively recently. Current requirements:

    -EU: 44mpg in 2008, projected to 48 in 2010 and 52 in 2012.
    -Japan: 48mpg in 2010.
    -China: 36mpg in 2008
    -Australia: 34mpg in 2010.
    -Canada: 32mpg in 2010.

    From an article in the New Observer newspaper.
    Gee....All the nations cited are examples of GUN CONTROL HEAVEN! Do you see the nexus?


    How many real 4x4 vehicles would qualify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Gee....All the nations cited are examples of GUN CONTROL HEAVEN! Do you see the nexus?
    Virtually every developed nation outside the U.S. is a gun control heaven, so the correlation doesn't really mean much.

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    At least we have a point to argue from...none of those nations have a "2A"...

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    Wink Something else to ponder....

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    Virtually every developed nation outside the U.S. is a gun control heaven, so the correlation doesn't really mean much.
    All of them are also on record as favoring a UN dominated world.

    At least Canada has some hunters. Think this will impact them? You betcha!

    I don't see Israel or Switzerland on the list. Of course I don't know how many automakers they have in those countries, but they do both of them make some damn fine guns!
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    I do a good bit of hunting here in MI, and manage to get everywhere in my Ford Focus or beat up old Dodge Neon. I will admit that I look funny with a deer tied to the roof of my Focus. I guess the terrain is different here. Also, I fail to see where the standards would mean you couldn't have a 4x4.

    I'm all about our freedoms and pursuit of hapiness, whatever that means for each individual. Where the line needs to be drawn is when one persons' pursuit of happiness affects someone elses happiness or well being. My dad is royally PO'd about the places that won't let him smoke anymore (in spite of his cancer), including my home. Another example of a law that cuts into someones rights is loud music. My city has a noise abatement law that says my nieghbors can't play stupidly loud music at 2am. Good.

    I could care less if everyone want to drive A hummer H1 and pay for the fuel. It's their money. The problem is that it affects MY fuel costs, destabilizes MY fuel supply, Affects MY environment, and helps fund the enemies of MY country.

    On a smaller scale, look at it this way. I don't believe that I have some right to do something that decreases the value of your home.

    Again, trucks and suvs arent going anywhere. But man, when I walk down my street there is TWO in about half of the driveways. I sold my work truck when I got a job that didn't require it. Now I get 28-30 MPG instead of 12-14. I use a truck when I need it, but driving a 4x4 60 miles a day down the freeway is absurd.
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