Another reason not to trust others to come to your aid!

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    Another reason not to trust others to come to your aid!

    This is despicable.


    Police: Shoppers stepped over victim
    By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer
    Wed Jul 4, 7:57 AM ET

    WICHITA, Kan. - As stabbing victim LaShanda Calloway lay dying on the floor of a convenience store, five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a picture of her with a cell phone, stepped over the woman, police said.

    The June 23 situation, captured on the store's surveillance video, got scant news coverage until a columnist for The Wichita Eagle disclosed the existence of the video and its contents Tuesday.

    Police have refused to release the video, saying it is part of their investigation.

    "It was tragic to watch," police spokesman Gordon Bassham said Tuesday. "The fact that people were more interested in taking a picture with a cell phone and shopping for snacks rather than helping this innocent young woman is, frankly, revolting."

    The woman was stabbed during an altercation that was not part of a robbery, Bassham said. It took about two minutes for someone to call 911, he said.

    Calloway, 27, died later at a hospital.

    Two suspects have been arrested. A 19-year-old woman was charged with first-degree murder. Another suspect who turned himself in had not been charged as of Tuesday, the Sedgwick County prosecutor's office said.

    The district attorney's office will have to decide whether any of the shoppers could be charged, Bassham said.

    It was uncertain what law, if any, would be applicable. A state statute for failure to render aid refers only to victims of a car accident.

    Eagle columnist Mark McCormick told The Associated Press he learned about the video when he called Wichita Police Chief Norman Williams to inquire about a phone call he had received from a reader complaining about a Police Department policy that requires emergency medical personnel to wait until police secure a crime scene before rendering aid. McCormick said Williams then unloaded on him about the shoppers in the stabbing case.

    "This is just appalling," Williams told the newspaper. "I could continue shopping and not render aid and then take time out to take a picture? That's crazy. What happened to our respect for life?"
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    Yup, despicable. Indicative of our decline into a "me" culture; "You? Screw you! How can I serve me?!"

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    It isn't just the lack of willingness to help - but the obscene nature of disregard, instance taking (expletive of choice) pictures!!!!

    Has society become so hardened these days? I presume yes it has and yet, this somehow fails to tie in with all those who choose to ignore taking any responsibility for their own safety - that element is more head in sand I guess.

    It seems ever more - "every man for himself". Selfishness coupled with self-righteousness is rampant.
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    Agree with Chris, our society is going down the

    So it looks like Kansas law won't allow the bystanders to be prosecuted? Well, what comes around, goes around. They'll get their's, someday.


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    Not to excuse the other customers but IMHO not enough info , In my experience its dammed rare for a truly " innocent " to get cut up in aconvience store . It may have happened here , but like some other cases tho there is no excuse for the crime , i await the rest of the story .
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    I read this on the Drudge Report.

    Things like this make me wonder what the heck is wrong with people these days.

    Stepping over someone who is stabbed and dieing? snapping their picture with your cell phone? There is a special place in Hell for people so heartless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    It isn't just the lack of willingness to help - but the obscene nature of disregard, instance taking (expletive of choice) pictures!!!!
    That kind of thing makes me suspect that the person who took the pictures is not mentally that different from the person who stabbed the woman; and may even be the kind of person who would do such a thing him/herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    ... five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a picture of her with a cell phone, stepped over the woman ... Calloway, 27, died later at a hospital.


    And newspapers around the country publish the names and addresses of (and thereby, essentially, criminalize) those upstanding citizens who take full responsibility for their own actions up to and including carrying a firearm for protection of themselves and others?

    Suggestion: track down each and every one of the five callous people and then publish their contact info. Do stories on them and on callousness in general. "Do" them with as much intensity and heartfelt sense of righteousness that the truly good and decent are villified. That would be the honorable thing to do.
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    I was about ready to post, "Unbelievable!" But I was struck by the fact that, sadly, I find this to be utterly believable in today's world. How depressing!

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    I find it very believable. It's not anything new, either. Remember this story from New York, in 1964?

    Kitty Genovese:
    http://www.newsday.com/community/gui...,7944135.story

    Detectives investigating Genovese's murder discovered that no fewer than 38 of her neighbors had witnessed at least one of her killer's three attacks but had neither come to her aid nor called the police. The one call made to the police came after Genovese was already dead.

    People are hard to understand, sometimes.

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    I could not even finish reading the story!!!

    The news reporters should find those 4 or 5 people and ask them in front of the cameras, "Why did you not help the woman? ... Call 911? ... Put pressure on the wound?"

    They should all be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Not to excuse the other customers but IMHO not enough info , In my experience its dammed rare for a truly " innocent " to get cut up in aconvience store . It may have happened here , but like some other cases tho there is no excuse for the crime , i await the rest of the story .
    Color me one of the most cynical people in Wichita, but this is just a rough part of town. Could be a decent person from the neighborhood who bumped into the wrong person, and set them off.

    Only reason I would ever go there would be a surprise mechanical failure of my vehicle. This story did remind me why I am jumping through the states hoops to exercise my right to defend, though. We do walk amongst people with zero regard for life, I just want to be able to respond.

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    Truly horrible. I can't imagine how anyone could not help. And reminds me updating my First Aid training would be a prudent idea, you just never know when someone my need help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs View Post
    Not to excuse the other customers but IMHO not enough info , In my experience its dammed rare for a truly " innocent " to get cut up in aconvience store . It may have happened here , but like some other cases tho there is no excuse for the crime , i await the rest of the story .

    I am cynical as well....but innocent or not I would not just watch someone die like that and refuse to render some kind of aid.

    RR, I know you well enough from this forum that I believe you would do something in that situation, right?
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    This is absolutely disgusting. I would still help a person who is bleeding out, even though I know that if the tables were turned, that person would likely not render aid to me.
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