So I had to try another forum (about ethanol fuel and distilling). It's like talking about guns to a high school class. There are a few who know something. 1 or 2 that really know stuff, and a whole bunch who just wanna play with them. At least I'm not seeing flame wars, but I'm sure glad to come back here where the people on the forum know something about the forum topic, or are at least learning about it. Thank you all for being here.