Man shoots, kills 1-year-old son when gun goes off

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    Man shoots, kills 1-year-old son when gun goes off

    Beside the fact that he screwed up, as the father of 2 wonderful kids myself, how terrible he must feel. Some accidents lead to funny stories, this one led to tragedy.

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    Man shoots, kills 1-year-old son when gun goes off
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    A 1-year-old boy was shot and killed by his father, who was showing a gun to a relative when it went off, authorities said.

    The boy's father, Jose Silva, 26, of West Valley, Utah, was arrested on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter, authorities said.

    The boy was in a car seat inside a sport utility vehicle early Saturday when he was shot, said city spokeswoman Michelle Van Der Linden.

    A bullet went through the back seat and hit him. He was taken by helicopter to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead, she said. A sibling of the boy was also in the vehicle but was not hurt, she said.

    Silva was booked into West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, police said.

    The family was visiting relatives in Chino, according to a police statement.

    Carlos Suarez, a resident in the area, said he heard a loud boom and walked outside to investigate.

    "The guy just kept screaming, 'I shot my son. I shot my son,"' Suarez said. "I ended up calling 9-1-1 right away."
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    Why the hell was he showing someone a loaded gun in a car?

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    I am both angry at him and sad for him (and the kids mom/siblings). He needs to be punished but can a few years be more punishment than what he must be feeling. Sucky way to learn Rules #1 and 2.
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    Rule #1 of safe gun handling: Always, Always, Always without exception clear the weapon in a safe manner before handling it further. I recently attended a funeral down here in Texas for a 2 year old girl that was accidentally killed when her Father was attempting to "clean" his .40 caliber Glock pistol. I suspect that cleaning really isn't what happened, but the fact that his daughter is now dead still remains. In the aftermath my wife got her friends in the local Mom's club together here, and I gave them a 2-hour demonstration on safely handling both revolvers and semiautomatic firearms. The point I kept reiterating with all present: The best gun safety device is not a safe or trigger lock, but the gray matter between your ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Rule #1 of safe gun handling: Always, Always, Always without exception clear the weapon in a safe manner before handling it further. The point I kept reiterating with all present: The best gun safety device is not a safe or trigger lock, but the gray matter between your ears.
    While you're correct about using your head for more than a hatrack, you're wrong on "The FIRST Rule," which is: Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, so EVEN IF it goes off, it wouldn't hurt anybody. If you obey this rule, you don't have to "clear." There are times when clearing simply isn't practical. But the three rules apply in ALL situations, practical or not.
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    Man, I always unload mine when show mine to anyone. That's a VERY tragic heart breaker story there for sure....
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    The man will have to live in pergatory the rest of his life, because of carelessness/negligence. No punishment could exceed his regrets.

    I too will always stress ... however much we should all follow ALL safety rules, #2 is IMO the catch-all ...... it's the one that could have avoided this catastrophe. So sad - so avoidable.
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    Terrible for everyone involved.

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    The gun did not go off, somebody pulled the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwebel View Post
    Why the hell was he showing someone a loaded gun in a car?
    Very good question.

    While I can offer empathy and condolences, as I'm sure he didn't mean to kill his son or have the gun fire, HE WAS STUPID, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY KINDS OF COSTS OF STUPIDITY. Clearly, his competence was not up to standards, nor were his gun handling practices and knowledge.

    If you know what you're doing, you can make sure this stuff does not happen. If you don't know what you're doing, this is always a strong possibility, as we now see.

    Do I think he should be charged? YES. I don't go in for that, "The loss of his son is punishment enough." His recklessness resulted in loss of life. It could have been a shot through the window to hit a bystander. If he had killed someone he didn't care about, we wouldn't be talking about how it was "punishment enough" for him to feel guilty and loss.

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    I agree with PeacfulJeffrey in part.

    Should he be charged? I think, probably so, but I don't necessarily think he should do prison time over this shooting as the victim was his own child and I suspect his deed will torment him forever because of that. More than likely, it may end up with him never wanting to own a firearm again.

    Still, with such a careless act resulting in loss of life I don't feel that an involuntary manslaughter conviction with several years of supervised probation is out of line either.

    Regarding the news report... I don't know why they always say... "and the gun went off" This just helps perpetuate the notion to the uninformed that guns have minds of their own and does a total disservice by misinforming the public.

    They should be reporting that "he carelessly pulled the trigger" or "neglegently fired the gun"... Heck I would even accept "he accidentally pulled the trigger" over their standard line... "The gun just went off!"

    Tragic consequences and a tragic loss of life no doubt. I just hope some gunowner, somewhere out there learns from this incident in the future.

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    Very sad story, it is unlikely that the gun just went off, he must have pulled the trigger by accident. Did they say if the gun was legal? It is hard to understand why this happened, and it happens way to often.
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    Man that is messed up. His tragedy can be a lesson for all of us to learn from.
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    If you don't clear a gun in a safe direction and double check before presenting it to someone, you are an a** and should not be allowed to have any guns. Ever.
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    Amen, SemperFi .45. My point exactly. One should never, ever hand anyone a loaded weapon to show it off, period.

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