Gun dealer operated "li'l shop of gun horror" (New York press)

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    Gun dealer operated "li'l shop of gun horror" (New York press)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim..._horror-2.html

    Hit the link for pics, one of which is captioned:

    North Carolina gun shop is packed wall-to-wall with death-dealing weapons, most of which can be sold quickly. Experts say it will take years to clear America of guns from worst shops.

    His li'l shop of gun horror

    Virginia dealer sorry he sold the gun that killed Timoshenko

    BY NICOLE BODE in Hampton, Va.,
    and RICH SCHAPIRO in New York
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

    Friday, July 27th 2007, 4:00 AM

    North Carolina gun shop is packed wall-to-wall with death-dealing weapons, most of which can be sold quickly. Experts say it will take years to clear America of guns from worst shops.

    Richard Norad, former dealer at now-closed R&B Guns sold gun eventually used to kill NYPD Officer Russel Timoshenko.

    The notorious Virginia gun dealer who sold the handgun used to kill Brooklyn cop Russel Timoshenko insisted yesterday he is torn up by the hero's death.

    "It's very upsetting to see something you sold legally get used like this," Richard Norad told the Daily News, his head peeking out a house door which was adorned with a National Rifle Association sticker.

    Norad, 54, a former gun dealer, was indicted in 2000 on 10 counts of selling guns without properly checking buyers' IDs. He faced up to five years in prison but pleaded guilty to a single count and was fined just $1,720.

    Norad's now-shuttered firearms store, R&B Guns, was one of a "dirty dozen" gun shops that sold weapons later used in more than 15,250 crimes.

    "The murder and tragedies that are spun by this store will continue for years," said Jim Kessler, author of the 2004 report "Selling Crime: A Handful of Gun Stores Fuel Criminals."

    "It's going to take years and years for the guns they knowingly sold to criminals to dry up. This store is a virus."

    The report, released by Americans for Gun Safety, a watchdog group based in Washington, noted that 1% of the nation's weapons dealers are the source of 57% of the guns traced to crime.

    The latest gun-tracing data available reveal that several of the gun shops cited by the report are still selling guns that wind up in the hands of criminals.

    At least 537 guns used in crimes in 2005 were sold out of Badger Outdoors shop in Wisconsin, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    The Milwaukee store was cited by Kessler's report for peddling 1,906 firearms used in crimes from 1996 to 2000, putting it No. 3 on the list.

    Don's Guns & Galleries in Indianapolis sold 431 guns used in crimes in 2005, according to the Brady Campaign. The shop was ranked second on the Americans for Gun Safety list, having sold 2,294 guns later used in crimes.

    "Once they buy a gun here, they can walk down to the tavern and sell it to anyone they please," owner Don Davis said yesterday.

    "It's sort of like a Chevrolet dealer that sells the most Chevrolets in America. He's going to have more cars in crashes than the guy that has a back dealership and sells just a few cars."

    Experts say the reason it is so difficult to prosecute rogue firearms dealers is because of the success of the NRA.

    They point to the passing of the Tiahrt Amendment in 2003, which has restricted states, cities and police from accessing and using gun-tracing data to track down illegal gun traffickers.

    The inability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to monitor gun shops is another serious problem, experts say.

    "They only have enough staff to get to each licensed store once every 17 years," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, adding that the ATF cannot return unannounced to a store that already has been checked within the same year.

    "Places that sell cigarettes to minors are in fear somebody can check on them every single day," Helmke said. "But guns, no, we treat them differently."

    The .45-caliber gun used to shoot Timoshenko in the face on July 9 was bought from R&B Guns in 1999, records show.

    Norad, who lives in a trailer park, closed his store in 2001 and later was stripped of his federal license to sell firearms.

    His shop ranked as the fifth worst in the 2004 report. It is one of only three of the "dirty dozen" gun stores that has since closed.

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    How nice and factual LOL . Lets not mention that the LLama in question was sold LEGALY to a fella who passed away, and his estate subsequently sold it LEGALY as a private sale . Lets not look at the fact the VCA in question could not leagaly posses the pistol in New York . Lets not look at the VCA's Criminal record and ask ourselves why this animal was on the street in the first place. Lets instead browbeat the dealer who ( rightfully ) lost his FFL due to his practices over a LEGAL sale he made , Yes its the gun nut conspiracy keeping Bloomie and his cohorts from sensitive Law Enforcement data so they can not civilly sue business owners into bankruptcy( Damm that Tarhart and the BATFE for wanting to secure the data anyway ) . You can trust us , We are the press !!

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    Oh and i love how they trot out unnamed " experts " and cite them for opinions too lol .
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    The NY Daily News tries to be the "tough on crime" NYC paper. That includes supporting gun bans. Unfortuantely, in their zeal to demonize guns, they usually sensationalize (which they are very good at, sells papers) or get the facts wrong (hey, their trying to sell newspapers under the 1st Amendment).

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    We still haven't heard why felons with a history of numerous violent crimes and firearms violations were out of the lock-up able to do more evil.

    How about an article about 'little courtroom of horrors', listing the judges that accept silly plea bargains or give-slap-on-the-wrist sentences for horrible crimes, or 'little parole board of horrors', listing the parole boards that turn these monsters loose on the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    We still haven't heard why felons with a history of numerous violent crimes and firearms violations were out of the lock-up able to do more evil.

    How about an article about 'little courtroom of horrors', listing the judges that accept silly plea bargains or give-slap-on-the-wrist sentences for horrible crimes, or 'little parole board of horrors', listing the parole boards that turn these monsters loose on the public.
    +1 on that...

    The only place you'll see reporting about the "little courtroom of horrors" is on O'Reilly or Glen Beck and look at the heat they are constantly under for bringing those stories to light!
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    . . ."Norad, who lives in a trailer park". . . relevancy to this story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    . . ."Norad, who lives in a trailer park". . .
    LOL I wonder if he was named after North American Aerospace Defense Command "NORAD"
    http://www.norad.mil/
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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    We still haven't heard why felons with a history of numerous violent crimes and firearms violations were out of the lock-up able to do more evil.

    How about an article about 'little courtroom of horrors', listing the judges that accept silly plea bargains or give-slap-on-the-wrist sentences for horrible crimes, or 'little parole board of horrors', listing the parole boards that turn these monsters loose on the public.

    +1!

    Excellent points!

    But you'll never see the leftist, soft-on-crime, ban-the-guns media be that honest.


    How about this part:
    Experts say the reason it is so difficult to prosecute rogue firearms dealers is because of the success of the NRA.
    What a load of VOMIT!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    . . ."Norad, who lives in a trailer park". . . relevancy to this story?

    Well, the media wouldn't be doing their job if they failed to paint gun owners and sellers as trailer-trash redneck hicks...

    Journalistic integrity is now officially an oxymoron, like "jumbo shrimp," and "little giant." They are mutually exclusive terms nowadays. If you are a journalist with integrity, you go out of your way to avoid salting little jabs and prejudicial nonessential facts into your story.

    But if you're an unabashed leftist partisan, and you know that no one will really call you out on the carpet for this and your editor shares your anti-gun sentiments, you are emboldened to do just what this scum did.

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    This is where "truth" and "agenda" clash when the media reports how powerful the NRA is in the federal arena (and to those who say the NRA sells out... you can see why they need to compromise sometimes on certain things)

    They are not as powerful economically as we all think. Even Microsoft spend more money. And the "industry" that spends the most seems to be the various unions.

    Check out this website (need to copy and paste):
    www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.asp?order=A

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    Blaming guns for crime is like blaming a spoon for making Rosie O'Donnel fat.

    but do we blame her parents for her being such a #&%&^*($%@#%

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post

    Experts say the reason it is so difficult to prosecute rogue firearms dealers is because of the success of the NRA.


    That would be the experts at The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
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    Looks like a cool gun shop. One I would like to visit.
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