Woman vs. Pitbulls in Washington State

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    Woman vs. Pitbulls in Washington State

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    GIG HARBOR, Wash. Two pit bull terriers broke into a house through a pet door Tuesday and attacked a woman in her bed, mauling her badly, a Pierce County sheriff's spokesman said.

    The woman was able to grab a gun and try to shoot the dogs, then break away from the attack and lock herself in her car, where she called 911, sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

    The woman, who was not immediately identified, was taken to a hospital in Tacoma, where she was listed in serious condition.

    Officers planned to talk to the dogs' owner.

    The pit bulls also killed a neighbor's Jack Russell terrier, which entered the house during the attack, Troyer said.

    "The thought is that the Jack Russell heard noise in the neighbor's house, came in and was attacked by the dogs," Troyer said.

    Firefighters responded first, locking the dogs in the house, treating the woman and calling for an ambulance.

    Officers "had to pepper spray and fight the dogs until they were detained. We almost had to shoot them on site," Troyer said.

    The dogs were taken to a Humane Society and will probably be destroyed, he said.

    It was not immediately known why the dogs entered the house, whether the woman had dogs of her own or what set off the attack.
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    That would be scary to wake up to. Too bad she wasn't able to ventilate them herself.

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    I can't believe they bothered to capture the dogs....

    I would have shot them both on the spot. then I would have found the owner and had a serious, serious conversation with that individual. Down here in Texas, a new law is going into effect next week that is going to dramatically change pet ownership in this state. the law has been called "Vivians' Law" by texas legislators in honor of Ms. Vivian Stiles, an innocent elderly woman who was busy gardening in her yard when 6 dogs, 5 of them Pit Bulls, attacked and mauled her to death about a year and a half ago. Preceding that incident, there had been several vicious dog attacks here in Texas, and after Ms. Stiles murder, petitions were circulated (which I gladly signed) to address this issue. I remember there was a serious debate here in the county in which I live regarding stray dogs and vicious animals that came about due to the fact that several animals had been shot by citizens (I was one of them) that had been attacked or had nuisance animals on private property. Our county Sheriff, without even blinking an eye, informed all of the "animal lovers and PETA types" that out here in this county, the property owner or citizen was free to use whatever means necessary to resolve a stray/vicious dog problem. he also went on to say that his deputies were directed to immediately destroy (shoot) any dog that appeared or acted in a dangerous manner.

    I thought that was a most appropriate response; Animal lovers by and large fail to understand that a dog, especially an animal like a Pit Bull, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. is like having a gun; it is capable of killing small children or even adults. If there are multiple dogs involved, the lethality potential dramatically increases. If you are going to have agressive animals like that, they must be effectively penned up; just having them "in the back yard" is not enough. Eventually, the dogs will escape and bad things will happen. And once an animal like that gets the taste of blood in their nose and mouth, they are forever killers; they, like people cannot be reformed. The only thing that can be done with these animals is to euthanize them.

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    Thumbs down What????

    "I thought that was a most appropriate response; Animal lovers by and large fail to understand that a dog, especially an animal like a Pit Bull, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, etc. is like having a gun; it is capable of killing small children or even adults. If there are multiple dogs involved, the lethality potential dramatically increases. If you are going to have agressive animals like that, they must be effectively penned up; just having them "in the back yard" is not enough. Eventually, the dogs will escape and bad things will happen. And once an animal like that gets the taste of blood in their nose and mouth, they are forever killers; they, like people cannot be reformed. The only thing that can be done with these animals is to euthanize them."

    I understand the nature of the issue here, and I think you, like other people are jumping to one side and ignoring the bigger problem. Any dog is capable of killing a child or an elderly person. Poodles, Chows, Retrievers (which have the highest rate of injuries to kids because of their tendency to jump up on people) and countless other breeds. What you and others fail to realize, and being on a gun forums is all the more ironic, is not the dogs that are ultimately at fault, but the owner. Its not the guns fault when someone is shot is it? Its not the dogs fault either. Dogs, Pitbulls if you will, are only as well behaved as their owners make them. I have grown up with Rotties and Pits, we have NEVER had one incidence of biting, growling, or aggressive behavior because we raised them to be nice family pets. You dont pen up dogs like that (that is cruel to own a dog for the sole purpose of chaining him up 24 hours a day), you make them part of your pack, play with them, excercise them, train them and socialize them. Then you dont need to worry about aggressive behavior. Most responsible dog owners would probably do the same.
    In instances like this, what info are we missing? We are not told who owns the pitbulls who killed that lady. Are they a "piece of you know what" people like Michael Vick and other "groups" who abuse animlas and make them mean for sport and machismo? Probably. No dog just runs around looking to attack people. If you've spent time around them you'd know this. Blame the owners for their dogs. Punish the deed and not the breed.
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    As a Pitbull owner I find a few things interesting...and no I'm not defending these dogs, but ultimately ANY dog is dangerous and can and will attack at will, UNLESS properly trained and regularly.

    Also, as a pitbull owner I find one of the officers last statements to be rather disturbing..."we almost had to shoot it on site". ***? WHY DIDN'T THEY? I own one and even I know better than to try to fight one off. If it's dangerous and attacking people...SHOOT THE DAMN THING!

    Oh and mine seems to realize her sole existence is to serve people...the by-product of reasonable training and general good care.
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    Kudos to the woman for choosing to fight and get herself out of the situation. She may not have been successful in killing the dogs but she got out of the situation and to a safe location to call police.

    This is yet another example that I can share with my extended family. They seem to think I am nuts to carry spray and firearm even when my family goes for an evening walk.

    I was attacked at age 7, by a huskie/shepard mix. Still have a faint scar on my face. Dogs can be unpredictable and make a difficult target. They must be trained by responsible owners who understand the liability of owning a dog.

    Knowing that not all owners are respsonsible, I choose to remain prepared for the day that I find a dog as a threat to myself or my family.

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    Let me clarify some things:

    • The Owners of the dogs I mentioned that killed the lady in question are like all the other owners I encounter when their dog gets loose and causes mischief; The Owners appeared on a local newscast and said innocently, "our dogs never did that before, they were always good dogs".
    • I have been around dogs like Pit Bulls and Rottweilers and German Shepherds (I own one) all of my life, too. As I stated in my previous post, owning an animal like that is like owning a gun; you have to control it and keep track of it at all times. Wynken, my 12 year old Sheperd, used to be my constant companion; now he has dumped me for my three boys, 6,4, & 2 1/2. My point here is that these animals require constant supervision. Only too often there is little or none, which is where the problems begin.
    • Which brings me to my final point: When the animals do get out and you are confronted by them, they are usually exhibiting behavior the owner has "never seen before"; Why? because the animal is in unfamiliar surroundings, and has become aggressive. If they are in a pack, they emulate the tactics and behavior of their ancestors, the wolf. Some don't even need to be in a pack; nevertheless, when these animals confront humans, the owner is never around in the vast majority of these cases. And when faced with a dog exhibiting vicious behavior and no owner around, I use lethal force immediately, because I can ill afford to take chances, especially if there is more than one of them with a yard full of young children.


    Yes, I understand the concerns of animal owners, but I live in a rural area where people are constantly dumping stray animals, drug dealers that live in the "trailer trash" areas in the county keep animals like Pit Bulls and Rottweilers whose sole purpose in life is to be mean and aggressive and keep people away, but my primary concern is me and my family. I am not going to negotiate or try to make friends with a vicious animal that has set foot on my property, I am going to take care of bidness, as we say down here in Texas.
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    Why were the pitbulls loose in the first place. If you want to own a pitbull you need to take the responsibility to train it and keep it in an enclosed area. Dogs should never be allowed to run free. I hope the owner of these two pitbulls has to pay a hefty fine. the dogs should have been shot on sight.
    A few years back a woman was malled and killed in her apartment hall way by two large dogs. the owners didn't seem to care and kept makeing excuses trying to lay the blame on the victim. In a case like this the owner should be put in jail.

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    hold on

    I think everyone is on the same page, and agree the owners are to blame for their dogs, but....

    All this talk of shoot on site worries me. I mean, I resuced a big dog the other day. It was wondering around my neighborhood early in the morinng in pouring rain, no leash, just a tag with its license number, thats it. I had to catch him, luckily he was in good shape and obviously a house dog, and so I call up the county, find out his name, address, the phone number of his owners. So I call, leave them a message yada yada, "found your dog, I took him to a local vet" and it all ended happily for his owners. My point is, the dog wasnt a pit, was a big dog, bigger then my pit, and my first inclination wasnt to shoot on site. I would hope that peoples first inclination isnt to just shoot assuming a dog is on a rampage. I would also hope people arent just assuming a Pit that got out is on a rampage. **** happens folks, but if mine got out, I hope somebody would make an effort to pick him up and get him back to me. He has tags, name, address, my cell phone, and even the microchip. If somebody just shot him or any dog that got lose just for being a Pit Bull, well....thats just wrong.
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    i agree with johnnyrebels statement,,blame the owners ,,not the dogs,,but still if the dog was attacking me or someone in my family i would have no hard feelings about shooting the dog,,and im a dog person,,love em

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    There's a huge difference in shooting a large dog that's out loose and wandering and the situation described in the article.

    A man offered a woman a million dollars to go to bed with him. Of course she was shocked but agreed. The man asked how about for $5. She yelled, "What kind of a woman do you think I am!" He calmly said, "We've already established what kind of woman you are, now we're just haggling over the price."

    These dogs came into a woman's house, attacked her, and killed her dog. These dogs had already demonstrated what kind of dogs they were.

    Dogs are not like guns. Guns are not capable of transporting themselves and operating autonomously to harm someone. Dogs, especially these, can and did do both. Dogs often do things we'd rather they not do.

    I have a dog. If some dogs attacked and killed it, I kinda think their life expectancy would decrease dramatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohhnyRebel View Post
    I think everyone is on the same page, and agree the owners are to blame for their dogs, but....

    All this talk of shoot on site worries me. I mean, I resuced a big dog the other day. It was wondering around my neighborhood early in the morinng in pouring rain, no leash, just a tag with its license number, thats it. I had to catch him, luckily he was in good shape and obviously a house dog, and so I call up the county, find out his name, address, the phone number of his owners. So I call, leave them a message yada yada, "found your dog, I took him to a local vet" and it all ended happily for his owners. My point is, the dog wasnt a pit, was a big dog, bigger then my pit, and my first inclination wasnt to shoot on site. I would hope that peoples first inclination isnt to just shoot assuming a dog is on a rampage. I would also hope people arent just assuming a Pit that got out is on a rampage. **** happens folks, but if mine got out, I hope somebody would make an effort to pick him up and get him back to me. He has tags, name, address, my cell phone, and even the microchip. If somebody just shot him or any dog that got lose just for being a Pit Bull, well....thats just wrong.
    i think your misunderstanding the "shoot on site" comment. If I were to come home to my wife bleeding from a dog attack, locked in a car for safety, and a dead jack russell in the house....all of this caused by to dogs that are in my home. "SHOT on SITE!" no questions or quorums about it.

    If there is a loose dog in my neighborhood that isn't causing trouble, and is just sniffing around I would do as you did. Your comparison doesn't hold to this story. They are totally different circumstances.

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    exactly!

    Thats what I hoped to clarifly, I am not talking about Dogs barging into a house. I'm refering to more like what happened to me, I'm going along and happen upon a Dog, on the lose, but not harming anyone. My point is that in this scenario the "shoot it" response is not just uncalled for, its wrong. Now, if that dog was attacking someone, as much as it would pain me to hurt a dog, I'd have to take action. I must have misunderstood, I thought someone was saying that because if they saw a Pit on the lose, they would shoot on site.
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    a few years back in the city i rescued a pit bull momma that had pups.
    she was wandering looking for food. i searched for the pups, but did not find them. i took about a half day following the momma pit, but she never went to the pups. her glands had dried and she was skin and bone. i took her and cared for her, and then turned her over to a good community animal shelter. (she was not killed)

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    Thumbs up thats very nice of you

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