Another School Shooting

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    Another School Shooting

    When will they learn that only the law abiding obey the school gun bans. Many of these incidents could have been prevented if on campus carry was permitted.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/del...ing/index.html

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    It seems that armed felons gravitate toward unarmed gun safe areas to comit their nefarious deeds. When will we ever learn, schools being an area dedicated to learning?
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    I'll be keeping an eye out for future developments here.

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    "Police combed the Delaware State University campus on Friday for a man who shot two students, leaving a woman in a "potentially life-threatening" condition, a school spokesman said."
    The reality is, everyone is in a potentially life-threatening situation, when an armed felon decides to act. That's the whole point of the 2A, and the whole point of carrying on campus.
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    I hear ya, but it will never happen. It'll just be another reason we need more gun control laws in this country. I saw a bumber sticker that said "if you want to keep the guns out of the schools you have to let guns back in the schools" The sheep will never get there head out of the grass. Sad but true

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo_hunter View Post
    I hear ya, but it will never happen. It'll just be another reason we need more gun control laws in this country. I saw a bumber sticker that said "if you want to keep the guns out of the schools you have to let guns back in the schools" The sheep will never get there head out of the grass. Sad but true
    I hope someday lawmakers will open there eyes and see criminals don't follow the laws and that gun free zones just get more people killed. Lawmakers seem to live in some sort of alternate reality and no longer seem to connect to the mainstream public.

    Students and parents alike need to make a stand and tell lawmakers and heads of universities that if they cant protect our children then we will.
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    sheep are nervous of a sheep dog when they are unaware of the wolves.

    I wonder what the school would do if the teacher was also an loe. Ban loe's from carrying on campus?

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    But you can't have guns on campus. Why did this happen?

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    Predators (of all species) select locations that provide the highest opportunity for success with the least amount of risk to themselves. Schools, hospitals, churches, etc. are to human predators what unguarded flocks are to wolves. And until we, as a culture, make those locations into low opportunity / high risk targets...they will continue to be those most preferred by murderous thug cowards.

    When's the last time you've heard of an armed rampage taking place in an Outlaw Biker Bar or at a Ranger Battalion Reunion? Do you think that's because Bikers (or ex-Rangers) gather in Gun-Free Zones?!? Or do you believe it's because predators realize an attack against those locations would be...uh, dangerous?
    There are only TWO kinds of people in this world; those who describe the world as filled with two kinds of people...and those who don't.

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    It's too early with too little information to say that concealed carry may or may not have been useful/applicable toward this specific application.
    There is no report yet of how the students were shot, from what distance, and under what circumstance.
    For all we know the person could have been another in car sniper and to that having a concealed carry weapon on your person would be useless as the shooter is hidden and at a great tactical advantage via concealment and/or cover, having superior firepower, and/or positioning.

    Lets wait and see how the facts plays out...

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    Cnn just made an update via the schools police chief that originally they were looking for one person but now it's been expanded to to two.
    They have caught one "person of interest" while the second remains as yet unfound.

    Again wait for the details and facts to come forth which in time they will.

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    2 Students Shot at Delaware State University; Classes Canceled As Police Search for G

    As updated today by ABCNews.com:

    2 Students Shot at Delaware State Univ.
    2 Students Shot at Delaware State University; Classes Canceled As Police Search for Gunman

    By RANDALL CHASE Associated Press Writer
    DOVER, Del. Sep 21, 2007 (AP)

    Two students were shot and wounded, one seriously, at Delaware State University early Friday, and the campus was locked down as police searched for a gunman, officials said.

    Police had identified two students as "persons of interest," and was questioning one of them, university police Chief James Overton said.

    The students were apparently returning from a cafe with a group other students when they were shot, Overton said.

    A 17-year-old male student was wounded in the ankle and refused to answer questions by police about the shootings, raising the likelihood that he knew his attacker, according to a federal law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing.

    Classes were canceled for the day and students were being kept inside.

    "They've been directed to stay in their dorms," university spokesman Carlos Holmes said. "We don't know where the shooter's at."

    Gates at the university's main entrance prevented people from driving onto campus.

    The two students were shot before 1 a.m. on the Campus Mall, between the Memorial Hall gymnasium and Richard S. Grossley Hall, an administrative building. Campus police said they were notified about the shooting at 12:54 a.m.

    Holmes said the female student, also 17, appeared to have suffered serious wounds. "They could be potentially life-threatening," he said. The male student's wounds were not as serious and he was hospitalized in stable condition, Holmes said.

    The woman was taken to Christiana Hospital in Newark, N.J., with a traumatic wound to the abdomen, said John Wilson, the deputy chief of Kent County Emergency Services. She was in serious condition, Overton said. The man was taken to Kent General Hospital in Dover.

    Authorities, with the campus police in charge of the investigation, hoped to get more information once the victims were able to talk. They don't yet know about the possible motive.

    "We haven't had a chance to talk to them yet, and that's probably a big reason why the suspect is still at large," Holmes told KYW-TV of Philadelphia...

    The whole article can be found at; http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3633764

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    It's too early with too little information to say that concealed carry may or may not have been useful/applicable toward this specific application.
    There is no report yet of how the students were shot, from what distance, and under what circumstance.
    For all we know the person could have been another in car sniper and to that having a concealed carry weapon on your person would be useless as the shooter is hidden and at a great tactical advantage via concealment and/or cover, having superior firepower, and/or positioning.

    Lets wait and see how the facts plays out...

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    I tend to disagree with it being to early. It occured in the middle of campus and, whether or not the victims knew the assailants, several other students were there. If any one of them had a carry weapon it's very likely the BG's could have been stopped.

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    But you can't have guns on campus.
    One may not have guns on campus (in some places); certainly, one easily can ... as the lunacy of protection-by-signage proves time and again. The proper lesson to be learned is, of course: signs do nothing; little policies do nothing; even laws provide zero protection, as such, instead only providing a measure of retribution after the fact, as punishment for an act.

    The only practical changes that will reduce the risks is to harden the target as some rightly suggest. There are only so many ways to do that. Barring becoming a "1984"-style society of metal detectors and scanners, the simplest route is to drop resistance and legal potholes placed in the way of honorable citizens providing for their own personal protection, and to stop labeling such honorable acts as "crimes." But then, most here see the wisdom and simplicity of that. It's the "campus" weenies and our peers in power that seek to eviscerate everyone's ability to protect themselves in the false name of the common good. Some of those lunatics would rather the whole world burn around our ears, before allowing that the wisest course of action is 180* counter to their thinking. There's a good campus lesson in that, right there.
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    Don't forget to speak out! The week of Oct. 22, wear a visible holster all week around campus for the National Empty Holster Protest.

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