There must be money in this.

There must be money in this.

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    There must be money in this.

    I have a public side, and I have a private one. The unwelcome mat to my home says "Go Away." And I mean it. On the whole, I don't like about 90% of the people I meet, including my church family. I really have to practice agape' love.

    Where's this going? It's going to the layers of e-mail addresses I must use to protect my privacy, my business, and my sanity.

    If you think you have my e-mail address, you're wrong. No one here does. If you think you have my phone number, you're wrong. You have my business cell phone. You may not even know my last name. I will use an alias at the drop of a hat, and I admit to that. I state, "This is the name I am using now."

    You might know me as 'Chico.' It's my biker knickname.

    Back to e-mail. I have a hotmail address. I have a business e-mail. I have a quasi-personal address, etc. I went to clean them out this morning.

    Hotmail alone had over 45 letters. I zapped 43 just by their titles. Even my business e-mail gets letters to sell me video games.

    My friends tell me it's good that I have rigid firewalls; they get ads for porn.

    My question to you is this: Since I have so many layers prtecting me (and the info people think they have is false), how do these clowns get through?

    You don't think my cable service and telephone company are bulk selling everyone's info, do you?


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    I have a similar practice. I know a lot of the crap that gets sent to you is done by automated programs that scour the internet looking for email addresses.

    One common source of these addresses is forums like this one. Forum software is notoriously easy to crack or exploit sometimes, such as early versions of phBB I believe it's called. Any place there's a link that says "Email so and so", well there's their chance to get your email address.

    Also if you ever put your email in a forum post, for instace pumpupgeraldinedaily@rabidmonkey.net, it will be scanned and added to the junk email databases by an automated program.

    You can add a layer of security by keeping everything as up to date as possible, but no current software will get 100% of everything. I use Norton, AdAware, Spybot, and the beta version of Microsoft's own antivirus software and I have them all automated to run at certain times. They find 2 or 3 things every week and delete them, usually spyware. If you're still running some antique OS like Windows 98 you're really going to get it.

    I have a friend who works for the Department of Defense and his specialty is electronic security. He has informed me that it takes about 2 minutes on the average for someone to start scanning your system.

    Some have taken to putting "NOSPAM_" in their email addrresses, the idea being that a real human being will know to delete that part and a machine wouldn't.

    One of the best ways to avoid it all is to go Linux. Very little malicious code is written to attack Linux. But for various reasons Linux is useless to me, and I don't like Apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tourist
    My question to you is this: Since I have so many layers prtecting me (and the info people think they have is false), how do these clowns get through?

    You don't think my cable service and telephone company are bulk selling everyone's info, do you?
    In your regular (non-web based) email program, do you accept HTML based email? If you do, they can add a small graphic in the email that is linked (not included) and when it goes to retieve it, they capture your email address. ANYONE that you give your real email address to can put you at risk. Any website you give it to WILL probably sell it. Best way to get your email address circulated and sold is to "unsubscribe" to something. Or have it appear on a website (any website). But after all of the little tricks they use to get a valid email address, sometimes they just assemble an email address from likely addresses, send them an email and see which ones don't come back as undeliverable. And regarding your ISP selling your email address, read their policy. It might actually be real. If not, their employees can always sell it or use it for their own purposes.

    If you have an email address, bottom line is you are going to have spam to some degree....
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    If you're still running some antique OS like Windows 98
    That's my OS. I really need to upgrade....
    I used to get a lot of spyware, emails, etc. After I switched browsers to Firefox, It stopped completely. I've been running Firefox for probably a year now. In the last three months, I've started to get some spyware again. Part of my trouble is that I'm almost completely computer illiterate. I know simple stuff, like changing browsers, clearing my temporary files, some of the control panel stuff, and I can muddle through setting up new email addys, but beyond that, I'm lost. My wife is even less fluent in computer use.
    Any suggestions for me? I do run a norton scan every week. And Spyhunter monthly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fjolnirsson
    Any suggestions for me? I do run a norton scan every week. And Spyhunter monthly.
    Run Norton or McAffee for viruses, AdAware or SpyBot S&D (buy them, don't use the freebie) for spyware, Tauscan for trojans, Ewido for double checking all of the above's effectiveness. If you can only afford one product, buy Ewido.

    Upgrade to Windows XP now, not later. Use a software firewall (Windows XP or ZoneAlarm) especially if you have a cable connection. Scan every incoming and outgoing email. DO NOT open email from anyone you do not know or are not expecting email from. DO NOT click on executable attachments of ANY kind unless you know what you are about to receive. Use an email program with an encrypted address book. Set your security settings in your browser at a level that offers you the most protection without driving you nuts. Enable spam protection if your ISP offers it.

    If you want additional protection, buy a small router. They act as a firewall since you assign your IP number to the router and the router assigns your PC a nonroutable IP.
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    buy a small router
    Considering that my business is growing by contacts, it might have to be an investment. I run Spybot programs all of the time. If my computer seems slow, I run a thorough program and minimize it so it has a good long time to sniff these idiots out.

    I just got back from Borders. I saw a sniper rifle on the issue of SWAT and so I ordered up a latte and sat down to peruse the article. I happened to see an article with the word 'outlaw' in the title. The word means something different to me, and seemed out of context.

    Basically the article had to do with 'Big Brother,' but one thing grabbed my attention. It joked that true outlaws have 'five identities' and can use them to avoid detection. Yikes, only five!

    Over 20 years ago bikers used to survey graveyards to see if they could find dead infants from around the year they were born. We would then apply for their Social Security cards, Drivers' Licenses, etc., just in case our true lives got too hot.

    To check out the theory, I went "looking for myself" on the computer. Obviously, I had inside information. I was pleased to see that several of my mythical residences turned up and that my real name was a 'no found.' At the present time, the only living people who know who I really am are my wife and brother.

    I think I have done a pretty good job. Even my Drivers' License and my tax returns use the name prefaced by the initials 'KCA.'

    Even if you physically came here to find me, all bread-crumbs lead to the clubhouse or the Harley shop. You'll find some very unpleasant men who will want to know who you are.

    Twenty years ago most people thought that carrying a gun was 'paranoid.' Now most people, even here I would guess, would feel that being a 'blank' or a "ghost in the machine" is the height of folly. "But 'Chico' (if that is really my name), you sell to LEOs." I sell as a person they think I am. I doubt if they know my family name.

    To pay fewer (if any) taxes as I fully retire, my wife and I plan to move to The Nations. All of our immediate family will have passed. Any delineated family can be contacted, if necessary.

    It's this internet that baffles me. I'm trying to close a door that might not have a lock. It's not like my phone; I shut that off as I ride. I cannot turn off the 'net that never seems to sleep. And somewhere out there is a high school hacker that might know everything about me--now.

    (BTW, read the SWAT article on being an Outlaw. Not only does it open your eyes, but it underlines what bikers have said for decades. Think outside the box, question everything, do not be defined by detractors, authority is smoke and mirrors and technically, they can already arrest you.

    "But they won't like me." I have news for you. If you're living free, they never did to begin with.)

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