Flight 93 memorial to use red crescent. Islamic symbol?

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    Flight 93 memorial to use red crescent. Islamic symbol?

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    Flight 93 Memorial Project


    "Crescent of Embrace," by Paul Murdoch Architects


    This page is about the controversy surrounding the design of the Flight 93 Memorial Project.

    As already pointed out at Real Clear Politics and Little Green Footballs, the winning design chosen to memorialize the heroes and victims of 9/11's Flight 93 is in the shape of a red crescent that looks -- either accidentally or intentionally -- remarkably like an Islamic crescent.

    To prove this point, I have taken a high-resolution map of the winning design (a pdf of which can be downloaded at this site (alt-click or option-click to download the pdf file); and a prototypical rendition of the Islamic crescent moon (taken from the Tunisian flag, the original image of which can be found at this site).

    Here is the winning memorial design (by Paul Murdoch Architects), entitled "Crescent of Embrace," rotated so that it points to the right:


    And here is a typical Islamic crescent, taken directly from the Tunisian flag:



    This is what it looks like when we lay the memorial design (made transparent) on top of the Islamic crescent:


    As is plainly visible, they are almost identical.

    An animated image that I made, comparing the two shapes, can be found at the top of this page. (Hat tip to Rayra for inspiring this Throbbing Memorial animated gif.)

    Rayra has also created his own animated gif comparing the memorial and a Tunisian flag crescent: you can see it here.

    "Hillbilly geek" has also created a very interesting animation with the landscape view of the memorial.

    "Etaoin Shrdlu" has generated an azimuthal equidistant world map centered on the location of the Flight 93 Memorial which seems to indicate that the crescent is oriented toward Mecca.


    If you feel this "Crescent of Embrace" design is inappropriate for a memorial to Flight 93, you can email your suggestions and concerns to

    Paul Murdoch, the winning architect, at paul@paulmurdocharchitects.com;

    or the National Park Service, which will make the final decision on the design, at their Flight 93 Web contact form;

    or you can call the Superintendent of the Flight 93 National Memorial at (814) 443-4557, or fax him at (814) 443-2180.
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    Inappropriate is not the right word. Despicable is closer. I will censor myself as to what I really think.

    The fact is that the proposed design is a memorial to the terrorists. It is no accident and was completely though out by the designer to be offensive to true Americans. If it is built it will be a blight on the Pennsylvania landscape.

    Indeed, if this design is not changed I suggest building a giant pig above it, defacating cruise missiles on the 'crescent of disgrace.'

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    Looking at the original design (as depicted) I think it's a real stretch of the imagination and it's Earth brown and not even red.
    And beside that the crescent shape (even if that was a true representation of an actual crescent - which it is not) has been used as a symbol by Mankind ever since Man first looked up at the partial moon.
    It predates recorded human history and is as old as Man.

    And since a true crescent (even if it was) does not have a front or a back or an up or a down...how can you be certain that it's not facing away from Mecca? Just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Looking at the original design (as depicted) I think it's a real stretch of the imagination and it's Earth brown and not even red.
    And beside that the crescent shape (even if that was a true representation of an actual crescent - which it is not) has been used as a symbol by Mankind ever since Man first looked up at the partial moon.
    It predates recorded human history and is as old as Man.

    And since a true crescent (even if it was) does not have a front or a back or an up or a down...how can you be certain that it's not facing away from Mecca? Just wondering.
    Take a look at the various links at this site:

    http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2007...architect.html

    I don't think it is a coincidence or any stretch at all to believe memorializing the terrorists and islam is exactly the intent.

    Just the name is a remberance to the 'religion of peace.

    I think it is akin to a Holocaust memorial designed as a giant swastika, named 'swastika of friendship.'

    This proposed memorial is simply an abomination.

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    Flight 93 design provokes uproar

    Designer says he's willing to change name.

    By KIRK SWAUGER
    kswauger@tribdem.com

    Somerset — The National Park Service's Flight 93 office is being inundated with thousands of e-mails and a stream of phone calls from across the country weighing in on the crescent shape of the memorial's design.

    Opinions are divided on whether the shape ' which calls to mind Islamic symbolism ' should be scrapped or supported, park service officials said Wednesday.

    'It's unfortunate,' said Joanne Hanley, the Flight 93 memorial's superintendent. 'There is misinformation in the blog-o-sphere, and things are out of hand. There was no intentional meaning of Islam in the design.'

    Hanley said Los Angeles architect Paul Murdoch is changing the name of his design from 'Crescent of Embrace' to 'Arc of Embrace.'

    Murdoch, meanwhile, went a step farther Wednesday.

    He said he would work to satisfy critics who complained that it honors the terrorists. Its shape is a circle broken by the flight pattern of the plane, which supporters have said follows the topography of the area.

    Murdoch said he is 'somewhat optimistic' the spirit of the design could be maintained.

    'It's a disappointment there is a misinterpretation and a simplistic distortion of this. But if that is a public concern, then that is something we will look to resolve in a way that keeps the essential qualities,' Murdoch, 48, said.

    Yet Murdoch said he's not sure exactly what changes he would make.

    The recommendation of the 15-member jury consisting of design professionals and family and community members ' which picked Murdoch's idea ' still must be approved by the Interior Department.

    The jury noted in its report that the design's name should be changed to avoid religious connotations.

    The planned memorial includes a chapel with 40 metallic wind chimes ' one for each victim. It would include pedestrian trails, a road to a visitor center and the actual crash site. At the site would be a crescent-shaped cluster of maple trees and a white marble wall inscribed with the victims' names.

    'We called it a 'crescent' because it was a curving land form. We called it 'Crescent of Embrace' because of the symbolic gesturing of embracing this place,' Murdoch said. 'There's no desire to make this a divisive memorial.'

    The design has become a lightning rod on Web blogs since a Somerset County street preacher said last week he intends to fight the concept, claiming the Islamic symbolism.

    Despite the criticism, planners have no intention of discarding the design and starting over, said design consultant Helene Fried, who along with Portland, Ore., architect Don Stastny served in a similar capacity for the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial.

    'Not at all,' Fried said. 'I think the position of the design team and partners is solid.

    'The issues raised by some people are being taken seriously. This is a design concept. This is not the finished design.'

    A sampling of some of the countless Internet blogs:

    ' 'Given the context of the Flight 93 event, this so-called memorial is so inappropriate. It would be like building a WWII monument in the shape of a swastika or red dot.'

    ' 'Just when you think you've seen the worst the American right is capable of ... now they're claiming that the Flight 93 'Crescent of Embrace' memorial looks just like the crescent moon, hence its 'honoring the terrorists.'

    'This is another fine example of how insipid, immature, idiotic and petty the American right is today.'

    ' 'Someone should have seen it and said something, like, 'Hey guys, do you think having this memorial in the shape of something that represents the murderous ******** that perpetrated the crime may be seen as insensitive?' '

    ' A columnist for the Canada Free Press added, 'Who could believe that the courageous passengers who refused to allow their plane to be plowed into a Washington, D.C., target would have their memory enshrined by the main symbol of Islam?'

    While controversy swirls, families of Flight 93 victims overwhelmingly support the design and are 'insulted' by suggestions it contains Islamic symbolism.

    'The families are upset. The architect is upset,' Hanley said. 'The architect wants to make sure the legacy he leaves is not overshadowed by a black cloud.
    'I think it's unfortunate people assumed the crescent was done on purpose and has hidden meaning.
    Paul Murdoch intended this crescent to be one of embracing the families in comfort.'

    The design still can be refined but not completely overhauled, said Jeff Reinbold, the park service's Flight 93 project manager.

    'The designer will look at all recommendations, and he will go back and make refinements,' Reinbold said. 'It won't come back as a square, but it will progress.'

    On Tuesday, U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., said in a letter to National Park Service Director Fran Mainella that the design should be changed to avoid controversy and criticism.

    Will Adams, spokesman for Tancredo, said Wednesday that the congressman would be happy with the changes only if the crescent shape is removed.

    Gordon Felt of Remsen, N.Y., whose brother Edward Felt was killed on Flight 93, said he called Tancredo's office and said Tancredo should have held off on his criticism.

    'I wish he would come out to Somerset and see the topography,' Felt said.

    Felt said it is natural for the design to evolve.

    'I think the topography of the land would really dictate there would be some kind of arc,' Felt said.

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    I think it is disingenuous to believe he had benign motives in his design. Architects are in a detail business as well as being artists. They certainly understand the symbolism of their designs.

    I'm certain the terrorists will claim a victory (and post google satellite photographs) with the erection of a large crescent visible from 35000 feet. Why even have the hint of the US embracing the crescent, which will certainly aid in enemy propaganda?

    Perhaps they will install footbaths so the muslims will have a thoughtful place to give respect to the dead Americans as Ahmajnidad wanted to do at Ground Zero.

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    Get out the aluminum foil! It's another big conspiracy! Puh-leeze.

    How silly. Muslims do not own a patent on circular design patterns.
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    I agree, the architect purposely designed this as a tribute to the brave jihadists that gave their lives on 9/11/01 (probably because he's an anti Bush leftist, not that he's a jihad supporter).

    If that wasn't the case, he would have instantly changed the design to something else instead of just agreeing to change its name.

    Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt ... the fact that it looks even remotely like the Islamic crescent is reason enough to change the design ... even if its 100% by accident.

    But no, the politically correct don't want to admit that 9/11 was the result of a strict following of the fundamentals of Islam but was just poor third world proletariat striking out at the evil bourgeois west because of our foreign policy.

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