Switzerland moving to ban guns - are we next?

Switzerland moving to ban guns - are we next?

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    Switzerland moving to ban guns - are we next?

    Preface: I am including the following two stories about tightening gun control in Europe. The trend is frightening on several levels: Europe is the proverbial canary in the coal mine. I have spent much time in Europe and have lived in both Switzerland and Belgium. Europe is moving towards the “one world, one government” concept. Their churches are empty and have become museumesque curiosities. Multiculturalism and political correctness is quickly moving to delete core values and national identity over vast swaths of the UK and Europe. Folks, this will happen in America if you do not involve yourselves in the American political process. Democracy is not a spectators event....MORE......http://concealed.wordpress.com/categ...ally-speaking/


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    Yes !

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    Now that I have your attention !!!

    No one thought it could happen in Britain, Australia, ad nauseam, but it has. EVERYONE has to fight to keep the Brady Bunch (and others), at bay. Eternal vigelance and all that. VERY important.

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    Canary in the coal mine?

    While I regret that Switzerland is moving to ban guns, I don't feel that what happens in Europe bears any relationship to what will happen in the US. Many dysfunctional and worthless things have happened in Europe that were strongly rejected here, sometimes by shedding of our blood. Examples would include:

    1. Communism
    2. Facism
    3. Monarchies
    4. Extermination camps
    5. Eating snails

    I believe that we have a lot more common sense than the Europeans.

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    We might have common sense but most Americans only know what they been told. Most liberals would not be liberals if they just did their own homework instead of listening to the local news..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    While I regret that Switzerland is moving to ban guns, I don't feel that what happens in Europe bears any relationship to what will happen in the US. Many dysfunctional and worthless things have happened in Europe that were strongly rejected here, sometimes by shedding of our blood. Examples would include:

    1. Communism
    2. Facism
    3. Monarchies
    4. Extermination camps
    5. Eating snails

    I believe that we have a lot more common sense than the Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pogo2 View Post
    Many dysfunctional and worthless things have happened in Europe that were strongly rejected here (USA). Examples would include:

    1. Communism
    2. Facism
    3. Monarchies
    4. Extermination camps
    5. Eating snails
    Uh-huh. "Common" sense rejected these things, perhaps, yet it allows a few other "hallmarks" of a free people:

    1. McCarthyism
    2. A Faustian military/industrial/governing arrangement of powers
    3. Presidential power nearly as absolute as monarchies
    4. Rendition and secret camps
    5. McDonald's fast food

    Not much different, when you think of it.

    Moral of the story: it can easily happen, here or anywhere, when a People goes deaf, dumb and blind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Uh-huh. "Common" sense rejected these things, perhaps, yet it allows a few other "hallmarks" of a free people:

    1. McCarthyism
    You mean exposing and prosecuting enemies of the United States like Hiss and the Rosenbergs?

    2. A Faustian military/industrial/governing arrangement of powers
    You mean defending the United States using advanced technology?

    3. Presidential power nearly as absolute as monarchies
    Are you suggesting the powers defined by the Constitution for the Executive are like a monarchy?

    4. Rendition and secret camps
    Are you suggesting we publicize the locations that we keep captured enemy?

    5. McDonald's fast food
    OK, I agree with you on this one.

    Moral of the story: it can easily happen, here or anywhere, when a People goes deaf, dumb and blind.
    The truth is that all across the nation we are regaining our rights and having them explicitly codified through concealed weapons legislation and 'Castle Doctrine' laws. We must continue to be vigilant against antis and others that want to control the people with their unconstitutional agendas. But, all in all, we are making slow and steady progress.

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    I say this not as just a statement, but as a truth. "From my cold dead hands!"

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    I think the idea they have (albeit a bad one) is if the entire world, meaning every nation, has a gun ban that the saying of "Well the criminals will get guns no matter what, even from other countires illegally." will be said to not be true because there are no countires that have guns. Although we know they will. Instead of calling it Gun Control they might as well subtract a word and call it Control for what it is.

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    So many leaps. Let's see if I can answer these.

    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    [1. McCarthyism] You mean exposing and prosecuting enemies of the United States like Hiss and the Rosenbergs?
    Nope. Tracking down criminals is laudable. More power to those doing the work. However, it's hard to argue the laudability or honorable nature of the methods in the era of "McCarthyism." Control revels in such methods, as it needs them. Justice does not.

    [2. A Faustian military/industrial/governing arrangement of powers] You mean defending the United States using advanced technology?
    Nope. As stated, I mean the "Faustian" arrangements only, and the degree to which some such relationships become an unholy alliance. There are certainly good things that come from development, such as newer technologies. No arguments, there.

    [3. Presidential power nearly as absolute as monarchies] Are you suggesting the powers defined by the Constitution for the Executive are like a monarchy?
    Nope. Am suggesting that many who are elected (in the U.S.) to represent our power instead choose to abuse that power flagrantly and illegally, sometimes with terrifying frequency. One need not travel very far in the archives to find a hundred such examples. A few are modern events and seen by some as the abuses they are. Pick any number of "exec orders" executed in the past 40yrs, for a concrete lesson in contemporary governance. Such people act very much like some notable monarchs in the "golden" age of monarchies.

    [4. Rendition and secret camps] Are you suggesting we publicize the locations that we keep captured enemy?
    Nope. Am suggesting the lunacy of making commitments to the rule of law as a nation, yet circumventing it to such degrees in such cowardly, secretive fashion. If a nation is to behave internationally as kidnapper, torturer and murderer, it reaps the "rewards." If it's going to do it, it should just say so and do it.

    The truth is that all across the nation [the USA] we are regaining our rights ...
    Uh-huh.

    In some areas only. In a nation of laws, so very many are circumvented for the "cause" of the day.
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    Senator McCarthy basically said that there were people in the government who were furnishing information to the Soviets. That was found to be true. Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White were among them. We found out in the 1990s, when the Venona project was declassified, that many more were traitors. Venona was the Army's program to monitor and decipher Soviet diplomatic messages during and after WWII. It was so secret that FDR was unaware of it.

    What most people consider to be McCarthyism was actually the work of the House Unamerican Activities Committee. They were the ones who held the hearings and questioned many individuals about their loyalty. McCarthy had nothing to do with them.

    Joe McCarthy was the Democrats whipping-boy. They demonized him because it was convenient to do so at the time. As it was, Truman won by the skin of his teeth in 1948.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttpete View Post
    Senator McCarthy basically said that there were people in the government who were furnishing information to the Soviets. That was found to be true.
    The net need not be cast so wide as to sweep up everything in its path, as "McCarthyism's" resulting terrorization of a generation showed. The point was that such tactics of control by fear aren't required for justice to work. Currently, anti-patriot claims and harassment by the current Administration aren't that far removed from those same tactics. They are what they are, no matter the label.
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    Push HERE, something unexpected happens THERE!

    Some interesting facts about the Swiss (from http://www.swissinfo.org/ thanks to a Google Search on Murder in Switzerland):

    1: "A study by the Swiss National Science Foundation (SNSF), which examined murders ... since 1980... found that family killings account for 58 per cent of all murders – a figure substantially higher than in the Netherlands (29 per cent) and the United States (20 per cent)."

    2. "The number of suicides is close to 1,500 a year. Suicide accounts for more deaths than car accidents, drugs and Aids together."

    3. "The majority, 60 per cent, of murders outside the home on the other hand involved illegal weapons."

    Philip Jaffé, professor of psychology at Geneva University cites social changes, among which is "...more equal rights for women in deciding when to end a relationship or marriage..." The professor also was quoted as saying "Most of these murders are the consequence of fragile men who just lose it in a moment of abandonment and narcissistic breakdown. The anger can be directed towards the wife or the whole family."

    The answer to the problems of the Swiss do not lie in gun control, IMO. They are experiencing the unintended consequences of keeping up with the latest trends of the progressive social engineers so rife in that part of the world.

    By the way, what's wrong with snails in garlicy, hot butter with crispy ITALIAN bread??????
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    Thank goodness we in the US have watchdogs in the form of the NRA and other gun rights groups watching the antis' every move. If you're not a member of one or more of them, you should be.

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