Taser Incident

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    Taser Incident

    Not sure if this is the right forum location but, here is a link to a video taser incident at a Canadian airport. First taser shot seems reasonable. 2nd taser?
    http://legallyarmed.com/resources/airporttaser.htm

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    Sorry to disagree, but even the first taser does not look justified. Yes, the man had shown violent tendencies by throwing a computer monitor and a small foldup table, but at the time they taser him he was not violent, nor was he trying to escape. He seemed to be surrounded by three or four police officers who didn't even try to detain him before tasering him twice.

    The taser is a great tool when used properly, but don’t be fooled, it can be a very dangerous weapon leaving permanent damage and in some cased leading to death. It should be used when there is danger of injury to the officer in subduing somebody, not as an expedient to end the frustration of somebody that is unable to communicate. This individual spoke no English and was unable to express his frustration to the police or those around him, more than one person had already told the police that an interpreter was needed and the tape shows no effort whatsoever to resolve the issue, just an effort to make it “go away”.

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    Most law enforcement officers don't want to take a chance of getting hurt when there might be an easier way to subdue someone. This guy threw some property around in an airport, was not able to communicate, might have been drinking on the plane, and does not look like a small guy. He could have hit, bit, or spit on one of the officers. Getting him under control was their mission Using the 1st taser seems reasonable to me. However, the 2nd taser does not seem reasonable. As in a bad shooting that goes into a court. The people who judge the action of the defendant campare the actions against what a reasonable person might do. The 2nd taser does not appear reasonable. Just my thoughts.

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    The camera never lies and is totally impartial. This looks REALLY bad for the RCMP and has Multi-Million-Dollar wrongful death suit written all over it. Sad situation for all parties involved.
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    Now add to the fact that the poor guy was Polish, DIDN'T speak any English, had been held in the secure centre for 10 HOURS already, and came from a country where any police intervention is a BAD thing. The RCMP were told he did NOT speak english, but insisted in giving him commands IN ENGLISH. The knee on the throat until dead is a nich touch, and completely consistant with socialist countries everywhere.

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    It's Canada they will probably take the tazers away form the RCMP and give them little business cards in 20 different languages that tell the subject to calm down.
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    I will hold judgment until a toxicology report comes back.

    With that said, the taser is a great tool. I have been tased several time already and will be getting tased again in about two weeks when I go to the Taser Instructor course. It's said when somebody dies but there are usually other factors that cuased the death, so don't blame the taser until you hear the whole story.

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    Bad form R.C.M.P., very bad form!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randal16-1 View Post
    I will hold judgment until a toxicology report comes back.

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    Of the dead guy, or the idiot cop with the knee to the neck? (or maybe the airport manager of an international hub with no interpreters available?)

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    Without the whole story it is tough to judge what all happened. The subject was obviously combative if he was throwing stuff around. A lot of times this may indicate a mental problem or drug usage.
    Lets keep the comments civil and skip the cop bashing. Monday morning QB'ing is much easier than being there and dealing with the situation.
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    What I'm concerned about is what he was ACTUALLY DOING at the time he was Tasered. And it appears the answer is "not much". The fact that somebody asked another "Can I Taser him?" before there was any real reason to do so makes it look like a bad call. Sure, he went beserko for a bit but appears to have settled back down some and ended up getting killed for being a frustrated person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustynuts View Post
    Of the dead guy, or the idiot cop with the knee to the neck? (or maybe the airport manager of an international hub with no interpreters available?)

    The dead guy. As for the officer that placed his knee in the deceases neck area. That is pretty normal for a combative take down. Control the head, you control the body. My only big issues is how many officers were on his back. I am guessing that the cause of death will be positional asphxia.

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    I sent it on to a Canadian friend who is a customs and immigration officer. He wasn't particularly surprised, having worked at the Toronto airport for a number of years. He didn't approve of the way the incident was handled, though.......
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    Tough call to make. I think they could have waited for an interpreter. What was he REALLY doing that deserved a taser when they got there? Granted I dunno how long he was there..how much stuff he had done that didn't get on camera, or any other possibly important details.

    This was a "taser" situation from what I understand from my le friends. Assuming they should have tasered him (which you coudl debate) I think that both tasers were justified. The first didn't take him down. The second one is the one that took him down and put him into submission.

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