Peak Oil ~ Life After The Oil Crash & It Isn't Good.

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    Don't worry over things you cannot control, but do plan ahead.
    Make plans to feed yourself and family for...a while...(insert your own time frame). There are many posts on this forum about making plans for survival with list of things to stash/store...
    I think its also prudent to discuss scenarios with some of your neighbors. We can/will stay put...eat, drink, and defend our street area rather well.

    Things may be OK for a long time, or they could go south real quick...we have no control over that time-frame, but we can plan ahead. Don't be caught 'a dollar short and a day late'...
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    I'm pretty sure that in a "pinch" like these guys are talking about, people would be scrambling to tap the places we are avoiding so far - the ones with the worst and hardest circumstances; Siberia and the Medeterrainian.

    Siberia is suspected of having the largest unproven oil reserves anywhere. It has been for some time. As well as gold and uranium. The scenario played-out in Tom Clancy's "The Bear and The Dragon" isn't just a bunch of hoo-ey. He knows his stuff. Since Russia began doing exploratory drilling out there, people have been wondering when a huge strike is going to happen. It will eventually be the most hotly-contested place on the planet. Some people believe that when (not if) the Chinese and United States goto war, the U.S. will be working with the Russians.

    The Med? Oil? You bet your buttons. The bottom of that Sea used to be normal land. Trees. Monkeys. Whatever. Organic stuff that makes oil after a few million years. Its down there, its just tough as hell to get to considering how deep it is.

    There are plenty of ways to solve energy crises. The ideas are out there. The main problems lay in intial cost (read: capitol) and political squabbling. I won't go too much into that, though, because this thread is about oil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Peak Oil == Global Warming == Global Cooling == Imminent Economic Collapse...

    Or any of the many doom scenarios we are constantly fed by 'experts.'

    Peak oil is nothing more than a doomsday scenario perpetrated by the same environmentalist wackos that are now espousing global warming (climate change if it is cold and rainy in your area) forest overgrowth and supressing technology and progress in the name of the rare spotted straight worm.

    Certainly, we should strive to curtail our dependence on foreign oil by furthering oil exploration, drilling known oil reserves, buoilding refineries (there is more oil than we can refine!) developing our coal industry and most of all building nuclear power plants.

    We should not be taken in by another hoax with the goal of controlling the people.


    Here is one of many references exposing the peak oil nonsense:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm
    Okay, but if peak oil is just a scam that corporations and others are going to do to us, how does that change the situation either way? Any way you look at it, a strangled market (whether self-imposed or not) is going to suck for us, the consumer.
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    that prediction is bs and feeds into more of the media hype. Yes oil is finate but as prices rise it will become more economic to extract oil shale other energy osurces will come online and innovation will cope with the disloction. yes I may not drive the corvette as much as now but civilization over as we know it nope not gonna happen

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    Well, the world will indeed end, someday. Whether it be in "fire or ice" (or "paperwork or nostalgia", as Frank Zappa once predicted) remains to be seen. The important factor is timing, and I, for one, am not particularly worried about global collapse in my (or my childrens) lifetime - locallized and temporary collapse is another matter (hence the prep kits...)
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    Some reality here:

    1) Our current crisis has been driven by 30 years of restrictions by wacko environmentalists on our refining capacity as well as our ability to drill new wells and maintain older ones. The attitude of "not in my backyard" has finally caught up to us. China has also discovered that riding bicycles everywhere sucks.

    2) The environmental wackos that have hamstrung us on everything from nuclear power to drilling the north slope in Alaska are also telling us that our globe is warming and we are the cause of it all. That is pure hogwash. Just ask any vulcanologist (guys that study volcanoes for us commoners) and they will tell you the hard truth. They will tell you that 2 volcanic eruptions in the 20th century caused the release of more greenhouse gases than all of the industrialization in the history of mankind. A lot more. Like 100 times more.

    3) The oil supply crisis is a manufactured one. Can anyone guess how many times the supply of oil to the western democracies has been interrupted regardless of war or weather? Not once. The tankers still keep coming, and still keep delivering. All of the fearmongering that is going on merely confirms what many have believed all along - that the stock market is just an opinion of the value of an item, that in reality it is all about selling a commodity to someone and maximizing the profit from it, nothing more.

    So there is no "big conspiracy" by George W. and his "Big Oil Buddies" to take over the world and enslave us. the pure simple fact of ther matter is that we have done this to ourselves because our own politicians have tied one hand behind our backs in the global energy war through their own shortsighted stupidity. Yes there are alternative energy ideas, but none of them are practical or affordable right now, and wont be for another 30-50 years. many of them, such as solar power, have a point of diminishing returns as far as viable continuous energy sources. So here is what we need to do to straighten this mess out:

    a) Build nuclear power plants

    b) drill our coastlines including the north slope

    c) build a lot more refining capacity, even investing in offshore refining platforms.

    d) crack the secret of atomic fusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    3) The oil supply crisis is a manufactured one. Can anyone guess how many times the supply of oil to the western democracies has been interrupted regardless of war or weather? Not once. The tankers still keep coming, and still keep delivering.
    Ever hear of the Great oil embargo?
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    Please tell me there are not members here gullible enough to fall for this crap? Sure there is a finite amount of oil in the world, but to declare that we have found it all is pure crap....they find large caches on a fairly regular basis, and there are large areas still unexplored (IIRC the western 1/3 of iraq is one). PLUS as technology increses other petro sources become viable (oil shale, etc).

    This is just one more ploy by the ultra-left environmentalists to get you to pay more taxes(see Global Warming)

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    They just found up to 8 billion barrels here in my (current) back yard. Buried deep under water, rock, and salt, and undrillable just a few years ago, it will be pumping several hundred thousand bbls a day in 5 years or so...

    Just something to think about...there are plenty of years left, and there is no reason to believe that technology will not keep pace and allow us to be more efficient, to discover more, and to exploit more of what we discover for quite some time yet...
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    It's interesting though that none of this is being put "out there" either by the Left or by the environmentalists.
    You need to read some more on the link that I have inserted in the original post.
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    It's gotta be true. The facts are supported by . . . . drum roll . . . . Dick Cheney!!

    I love doomsday scenarios. Make for great post-apocalypse novels, like "Lucifer's Hammer". Fun reading, but nothing to get too worked up over.

    Right wingers love theirs as much as the left-wingers. Get your tinfoil hats on. The weird thing is how much some people are hoping for it to happen! It's the "last days", Armageddon, the end of the world . . . Build your fortified compound and stock up on supplies!
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    there is only one truth, and that is until most people relay on renewable resources a shortage will come eventually. It's impossible to tell when that shortage will be becuase it seems like every article that a scientist puts out is contradicted by another,but a war of epic proportoins will enuse after the shortage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    They just found up to 8 billion barrels here in my (current) back yard. Buried deep under water, rock, and salt, and undrillable just a few years ago, it will be pumping several hundred thousand bbls a day in 5 years or so...

    Just something to think about...there are plenty of years left, and there is no reason to believe that technology will not keep pace and allow us to be more efficient, to discover more, and to exploit more of what we discover for quite some time yet...
    I think the issue though is that even with new sites that can take up to a decade or longer for setup to be drilled that it possibly won't keep up with demand.

    China and India are still industrializing, they aren't industrialized yet (along with a host of other countries). Demand is going to exponentially skyrocket (America isn't going to cut back). Whether or not it's globally catastrophic is for sure up in the air, but there has to be a sizeable blip on the radar in the future. The market is already feeling the squeeze now. Of course the crappy dollar isn't helping.
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    You are right...they may not keep up with demand. And when that happens and the price of oil gets high enough there will be a huge push to find the alternative - some of which we have now but certain groups won't allow (nuclear, clean coal, etc). We live in a free market (at least for now) - when the dollars make sense there will be a replacement.

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    It doesn't matter a comet is going to hit the earth before "Peak Oil" or "Globa Warming" kill us. Of course bird flu is going to get us first.

    Peak Oil is real, global warming is real.

    We are apporaching the production limit demand will out strip supply. Yes you will discover more and refine more but demand will increase at a faster rate unless there is alternative sources of energy. Peak Oil will make things hard for us in the next few decades.

    Global warming will make it hard for us in the next few centuries, if it is not just a natural cycle and it cools again.
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