SWAT team terrorizes family whos 11yr son fell at school and didn't go to a hospital
This is a discussion on SWAT team terrorizes family whos 11yr son fell at school and didn't go to a hospital within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by TerryD
The more I think about it the scarier it is. I couldn't imagine a SWAT team breaking down my door, guns ...
January 7th, 2008 06:54 PM
I think the 1st thing we all did while reading that is we put ourselves in that position & realize how untenable the situation truly is....
Originally Posted by TerryD
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January 7th, 2008 07:27 PM
So the paramedic wasn't there when the kid fell... but he kept exaggerating the story and pushing buttons until he triggered a SWAT raid on the 'compound'? What a power-tripping mouth foamer! He should be sued for traumatizing the kids, falsely reporting a crime, et cetera. I'd make him buy a new door and pay for all the hospital bills too.
Does anyone actually think the state should have the power to kidnap children based on hearsay?
January 7th, 2008 07:29 PM
Yep. I agree 100%.
Originally Posted by stanislaskasava
Nope, but depending on the state, couldn't an EMT's report be considered "expert testimony", therefore not hearsay?
Originally Posted by stanislaskasava
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January 7th, 2008 08:05 PM
Sounds like the Sheriff/SWAT team leader may have a Lt. Howard Hunter complex. Some of you younger guys may not remember Hill St. Blues.
HELGA: Where are you going?
HAGAR: To sign a peace treaty with the King of England.
HELGA: Then why take all those weapons?
HAGAR: First we gotta negotiate...
January 7th, 2008 08:45 PM
Somehow I think some information is missing. For a trained Paramedic to go to that extreme?
I have some mixed feelings about this. I once cared for a 2 yr old whose dad was throwing her up in the air...just happened to be under the ceiling fan. Severe cranial fractures and lacerations needed to be repaired. They were forced to take the child to the ER where she was rushed to surgery. They did not "believe in modern medicine" and were members of a strict religion that believed in faith healing. The parents took their anger out on me in the recovery room and refused for the girl to get any pain medicine. If any of you have seen an inconsolable toddler, you know how stressful this can get. These were educated people! But, there is the question of whether parental or religious rights should be violated by the goverment. I think if the child was going to DIE without treatment then this would have still been too much. To have SWAT come in to remove the child? This could have been prevented by a home visit. If someone did this to me, I would sue too. And for the boy to be discharged right after?
Sounds to me like prejudice against the family's lifestyle/religion.
January 7th, 2008 09:19 PM
Strange,leaves me speechless.
January 7th, 2008 09:25 PM
Well, I guess that means most of us can expect the same type of treatment.
The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist"
Good God, what has happened in parts of this country where this type of behavior by the "authorities" is acceptable.
And perhaps this father might have a talk with his neighbors about them minding their own business in the future.
I suggest he sues the city and he also names the nosy neighbor who started this whole thing by calling the paramedic in the first place. And surely name the stupid paramedic who really is responsible for this. That jackass should be out of a job right now.
January 7th, 2008 10:02 PM
Has anyone seen this posted on the mainstream media web sites, or newspapers?
January 7th, 2008 10:03 PM
Well this is my point, Pete... WHAT could he have testified to? That an 11 year old boy fell on his head and showed no signs of concussion?
Originally Posted by Pete Zaria
The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.
January 7th, 2008 10:04 PM
Oh yeah, it is WND... could be a hoax.
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
January 7th, 2008 10:28 PM
And where are all of the NKW apologists on this one? Jeez, it's all for the officers safety. I want to projectile vomit not only hearing about this, but seeing that there is no general outcry at the way he was treated. You like the constitution, we are going to pee all over those rights you think you have, smack you and put you back in your place (the trailer park).
I hope he owns the freaking city after a lawsuit!!!
January 7th, 2008 10:47 PM
The story is unbelievable on the surface. No city is mentioned and the scenario is completely ridiculous. I did a quick google search and not a single legitimate web site came up. (One of them was ronpaulforums )
Originally Posted by stanislaskasava
The report is nonsense.
January 8th, 2008 04:44 AM
Mainsteam media participates in "hoax"....
Or maybe some of you just need to eat crow.
Officers Raid Home, Take 11-Year-Old To Hospital
NEW CASTLE, Colo. (AP) ― A tactical law enforcement team broke into Tom Shiflett's home and took his 11-year-old son to hospital for court-ordered medical treatment for a minor head injury.
Garfield County's All Hazards Response Team raided the home Friday night, a day after Jon Shiflett fell after grabbing the handle of a moving car. The child was returned to the family at about 2:30 a.m. Saturday, hours after the raid.
"Inappropriate is not nearly strong enough a word. It was gross irresponsibility and stupidity," said Ross Talbott, owner of the Apple Tree Mobile Home Park south of New Castle who rents to the Shifletts and who witnessed the raid. "Is this Russia? I don't know what we're coming to when they think your kid needs medical help and they send a SWAT team."
In the end, the injury wasn't as severe as caseworkers from the Garfield County Department of Social Services thought when they went before a judge seeking a search warrant and order for medical treatment.
The doctor recommended fluids, Tylenol and ice to treat the bruises, according to a copy of Jon's patient aftercare instructions.
Tom Shiflett, 62, who said he served as a medic in Vietnam, had told authorities that he had the skill to treat his son.
Garfield County sheriff's spokeswoman Tanny McGinnis said two deputies were first sent to notify Shiflett of a court order for his son's medical treatment and that Shiflett did not comply.
Caseworkers who visited the family Friday reported seeing injuries that including a "huge hematoma" and a sluggish pupil.
Six of Tom and Tina Shiflett's 10 children still live at home.
"In all there was not one shred of evidence found that we had done anything wrong or that Jon had not been properly cared for at home," Tina Shiflett said.
January 8th, 2008 05:15 AM
Don't be rude. Legitimate pursuit of proof isn't an issue of "crow". It's an issue of proof. A strong case can be made that one story on often-crank web sites isn't sufficient; nor are uncorroborated AP Wire stories not otherwise appearing anywhere else, such as in the home town (or nearby) of the victims.
Originally Posted by TravisABQ
Well, here are some corroborating stories, from area newspapers within a few miles of New Castle, CO:
January 8th, 2008 05:33 AM
I have seen a number of posters as
much as call WND liars and hoaxers.
WND was challenged as a legitimate source.
Corroboration has been found.
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