SWAT team terrorizes family whos 11yr son fell at school and didn't go to a hospital

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    There was plenty of damage done, and not just to door

    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post

    At the end of the day, no one got hurt, the order was enforced, and the only damage was to a trailer door.
    If you think the only damage was to the door, think again.

    The kid was no doubt terrorized when grabbed and snatched.

    Never mind the emotional damage to the parents. They'll get over it.
    THe kid won't.

    This was badly handled as best I can tell having read all of this thread.

    There is no excuse for what was done unless it was absolutely certain that the kid's life was in imminent danger and there were no other options for getting him medical attention.

    Phoo on the social worker's opinion. The fact is, she was wrong in her judgment entirely as evidenced by the fact that the kid was quickly dismissed from the hospital.

    This reminds me of the crazy snatch and grab of Elian Gonzales so he could be flown back to Cuba.... dreadful, is the only word I have to describe it.

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    Yeah, heaven forbid the kid have any 'issues,' though it sounds from the article that he's just fine with it - I imagine growing up with 9 brothers and sisters in a trailer has made him a bit tougher than the average 'what about my feelings' type. You know, those soft, coddled, sheep like creatures that this forum loves so much...

    And yes, of course, phoo in the paid professional's opinion...what the heck do those social workers know, looking at battered and abused kids every single day of their lives. The word if the local jobless tin-foil hat wearer is much more reliable.

    And Elian friggin' Gonzales? You mean the 'illegal alien sapping resources from good ol' American working people,' don't you? The ones we should build walls and fences and mine fields and machine gun towers to keep out? Those same illegal aliens? Mmmm K.

    Utter hypocrisy. Dreadful is the only word I have to describe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arisin Wind View Post
    The paramedics did examine the child at the beginning, found no significant injury, but wanted to take the child to a hospital for further observation.

    Maybe after the father said no, they felt slighted or thought perhaps their butts weren't covered enough and decided to escalate the issue.
    I don't believe they were just 'covering their butts' but rather wanted to show that 'they' have the power to do what they want.
    This whole thing escalated way out of control. The father was in the right as was proved in the end.
    This is exactly what you will get in a liberal 'nanny state' which seems to be exactly what more and more people want these days. Some just prefer the government 'take care of all their needs' and those in government are all too happy to oblige as it increases their power (socialism?).
    My hope is that the father names 'everyone involved' in a lawsuit and takes the county for every penny he can get.
    I really don't think he'll have to live in a trailer too much longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by state6three8 View Post
    TerryD,

    I should have qualified it as a non-life threatening minor injury. I agree if the persons health is in jeopardy my interrogation comes second... or third... or fourth. That was not the case in my story.
    I am sure it wasn't the case. You post on this site, so you're automatically smarter than the average person.

    Unfortunately, I have seen plenty of EMS people try to be the "big-shot" once they arrive on scene, and just end up making themselves look like a jack-ass.

    In my profession a well known saying is "you can't cure stupid". I think it may qualify in this instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    And yes, of course, phoo in the paid professional's opinion...what the heck do those social workers know, looking at battered and abused kids every single day of their lives. The word if the local jobless tin-foil hat wearer is much more reliable.
    If they spend every day looking at battered kids...then that is what they will see, regardless of circumstances.

    Having known some social workers and familiar with how they operate (through discussions with friends)--they basically form an opinion based on what they see (of course, no due process) and secure authorities based on what they believe they saw. "Sluggish pupil"? I'm suspicious--are S-W medical professionals? Are they aware of the medical history? No...nor should they, unless the parents are neglectful in their duties to provide a safe, secure home; feeding and clothings the children, etc.

    Based on what information is publicly available, IMO, the S-W lied/stretched the truth ("honestly, I believed I saw a sluggish pupil"--possible CYA statement)

    It would be one thing if social services had a record of this family--a proven case history of abuse or neglect--but that wasn't the case.

    The parents declined care--and in the end, they were correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    Is it OK for paramedics to enter a house unannounced?
    Not in this state.

    We have to knock for a "reasonable" amount of time, look and knock on window's, walk around the house, and make sure if anyone is home, that they know we are EMS, and looking for an "injured" person (don't want to get shot!).

    Then if we still can't find the patient, we call our dispatch and inform them of the situation and have them send out police for entry. Then ask dispatch if we should enter, or wait for police.

    FWIW, I have never been told to enter without police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arisin Wind View Post
    "The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years."


    Where do I go to be accredited as a "constitutionalist" so I'm not self proclaimed? Does my taking my enlistment and commissioning oaths count?
    Sign me up for that class too, I want to become a certified constitutionalist. When did being a constitutionalist become a bad thing? These kind of stores really piss me off.

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    Ron Paul's a candidate for more than the election Primary in Colorado, apparently. A candidate for being taken down forcibly, perhaps? Being a constitutionalist should be held in more honor than shown to this guy and his family, if that's what the sheriff used for justification.

    SWAT is justified to take a child from his parents and haul him at gunpoint to a doctor. Hm. Time to check Colorado off the list, at least until such folk (the fascists responsible) are removed.
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    Just to stir the pot a little more... Imagine this article instead:
    Local father arrested after his child dies - father repeatedly refused medical treatment.

    A local Vietnam vet and father of 10 was arrested today for child endangerment and negligent homicide after his young child died from an untreated head wound. The man, who was a military medic 40 years ago, believed the injuries to be minor, until the child began having seizures and died. The series of events leading up to the death were as follows.

    A child falls while 'horseplaying;' attempting to grab the handle of a moving car driven by his sister. Despite having hit his head on the pavement, paramedics are not notified by the family. A neighbor sees the incident, and, believing the child to possibly be badly injured, notifies emergency medical services.

    EMS arrives and attempts to treat the injured child. The father refuses to allow a thourough exam and kicks out the medical personnel. He claims that he doesn't want to face the medical bills associated with further treatment. EMS leaves, but notifies social services.

    Social services arrives, but is denied full access to the injured child. Even after offering to pay for the treatment, the father refuses to allow the child to be seen by a doctor. Social services notifies the courts, and a court order is obtained so that the child can be treated for the "huge hematoma and sluggish pupil," among other injuries, that are noted by the social workers during their brief interaction with the injured child.

    Two deputies attempt to enforce the court order, but the father still refuses. He threatens the deputies, and tells them that they had better "bring an army" if they intend to enforce the order.

    The deputies return, and the sheriff's office attempts to formulate a plan to enforce the order. While they mull over options, the child's condition worsens. As the sheriff's office puts together a team of negotiators, medical experts, family advocacy professionals, and the like, more time passes. Twenty-four hours after the injury, while the police are still working on a plan to enforce the court order, the child dies.

    The father is arrested and charged. He never called paramedics, refused their services when they arrived, refused to let social workers examine the child, refused to take him for an evaluation even after other people volunteered to pay for it, and threatened the police who came to enforce a court order requiring him to submit the child to a medical evaluation. His depraved indifference to the child's welfare, coupled with his repeated refusal to allow medical professionals to provide even basic care, has him facing up to 15 years in jail.
    If this kid had died, we'd be looking at this parent the way we look at parents who lock their kids in hot cars while they go shopping. The whole point that everyone keeps conveniently ignoring is that NO ONE KNEW the extent of the injuries. Obviously, the paramedics thought they were severe enough to warrant a full exam. The social workers agreed. Had they been right, this would be a VERY different story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Yeah, heaven forbid the kid have any 'issues,' though it sounds from the article that he's just fine with it - I imagine growing up with 9 brothers and sisters in a trailer has made him a bit tougher than the average 'what about my feelings' type. You know, those soft, coddled, sheep like creatures that this forum loves so much...


    And yes, of course, phoo in the paid professional's opinion...what the heck do those social workers know, looking at battered and abused kids every single day of their lives. The word if the local jobless tin-foil hat wearer is much more reliable.
    OPFOR - You have mentioned the size of his family and the trailer they live in several times. It seems that is a big issue for you in this. If they only had 1 kid and lived in a million dollar house would that change the way you feel about this Dad's parenting? I have met far more rich only children where I question their parents parenting ability then I have poor large family kids.

    A co-worker of mine has 10 kids, 8 in the first 10 years of his marriage and 2 in the next 10 years. (As an aside, he said 8 in 10 years was easier, you get diaper changes down to a science!). I have met 8 of his 10 kids and they are very polite and seem very well adjusted. I have no doubt that the older two are the same. His oldest ones all went to college (paid for themselves/scholarships as you would expect with that many kids) Two of his daughters (16 and 17 at the time) have babysat my kids and they were great with the kids. We came home at 10:30 pm partly expecting to find them on the phone with boyfriends, MTV blaring, kids still up, etc. but the kids were in bed and they were asleep on the couch.

    Now, by "American" standards their house is to small. The girls share one bedroom and the boys share the other. When there were more kids at home I think some of the younger ones slept in Mom and Dad's room as well. I understand how most people, including me, think this is odd at best but a big family was important to him and his wife so they started having kids. I think they are done now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't. At least they lived in a 3 bedroom house and not some trailer....

    As for the trailer part. I have no idea what their trailer they live in looks like but in the part of the country I live there are a lot of trailers. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article about trailer homes (aka mobile homes). The more "politically correct" term is manufactured housing, which I laughed at before I moved here. Go through a trailer park here and you will see trailer homes that are very nice 4+ bedroom houses. You would have no idea that they were trailer homes and the only time they were ever "trailered" was from the factory to the lot. I had heard of double-wides and I inferred the existence of single wides, but these came to the site in 3 or more trailers and were put together onsite. Some have been there for 20+ years and will be there for many more. The advantage of trailer homes is you can get a lot more house for your money. Somebody had this crazy idea to make the stuff in a factory and mass produce it instead of piece by piece onsite. If we still made cars the way we make houses the cheapest KIA would be $75,000 (unless you lived in California, then it would be $500,000).

    So that being said, maybe this Dad is, as you have implied, a "local jobless tin-foil hat wearer" but I can't make that determination based solely on the size of his family or the place they live like you seem to have. The newspaper has reported him as a Vietnam Vet, Father of 10, possibly poor (reference to cost of doctor visit), possibly no insurance (same reason), Combat medic (or at least worked with one), Constitutionalist. Did I miss something in his description, or was it one or more of these descriptors that led you to categorize him as a jobless tin-foil hat wearer?

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    I know there are nice trailers (manufactured homes, whatever). I can make the leap in logic that a self described 'broke' guy (he states in at least one of the articles that he has no money, and his original reasons for not wanting care were financial) with 10 kids doesn't live in one of them. I don't see how their existence has any bearing on this case what so ever.

    I will freely admit that I may be generalizing or even stereotyping (something most board members are all in favor of when the stereotyped group is young men in turbans, but seem to get up in arms about when it's a group that more resembles the average poster). But, the fact remains, generalizations have their purpose. Could this guy be the most stable, well adjusted, parent of the year type guy? He could, but the evidence suggests otherwise... To wit:

    1) Refused to allow his child to be seen by a doctor, even though it will be free, and even though the child has a head wound, and even though it has been strongly encouraged by competent medical personnel.

    2) Refused to obey a court order, when directed to by legitimate law enforecement personnel.

    3) Made threats (the old "you'd better bring an army" line) to LEOs.

    4) Is known to the local sheriff for threats in the past.

    5) Has made questionable statements about his grasp of reality: "Who can put limits on who is a qualified medical provider," in essence, which shows a serious detachment from the world we live in.

    The fact that he has ten kids and lives in a trailer is an indicator, not an absolute, and I admit that. But, it is an indicator. So, I ask these questions in return:

    What if the sheriff didn't mention "constitutionalist" is his justification?

    What would your reaction have been if the child had died as a result of never being treated?

    Would you refuse a court order, served to you by legitimate authorities, if you were in this situation? Would you tell the police to "bring an army" if they came back?
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    The story could easily read:

    Local father arrested for allowing “horseplay”

    A local Vietnam vet and father of 10 was arrested today for child endangerment after his young child was observed “horseplaying” near some vehicles. The series of events leading up to the death were as follows.

    An observant neighbor saw the child horseplaying around the vehicles and notified authorities. The neighbor said she saw the child behaving in a “wild” manner while his father was nearby doing some lawn work. She immediately became concerned when she said the father didn’t stop the child from playing around.

    The sheriff immediately sent the SWAT team to the address and found the child bouncing a ball, jumping around and endangering himself while in full view of the father. The SWAT team, took custody of the child and his nine siblings and arrested the father. According to the SWAT leader, the father protested the State taking the child citing constitutional rights.

    The father is being sent to a State rehabilitation facility while his children are now wards of the State.

    The county magistrate presented the neighbor who reported the child at play with a “Good Neighbor” certificate. “Keeping our eyes open to socially unacceptable acts makes us all safe.” The neighbor said she was glad the father was removed. “There’s no telling what he would have done thinking the way he did. Those kids would have grown up doing all kinds of deviant things.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post

    Would you refuse a court order, served to you by legitimate authorities, if you were in this situation? Would you tell the police to "bring an army" if they came back?

    The problem I have is that the State did bring an Army - the SWAT. I haven't seen any justification for the use of a SWAT to get this kid or to put his parents and sibling in handcuffs at gunpoint.

    If the State was so concerned for the child, why did it take over 24 hours to provide the medical care the State thought the child needed? What if the child did die during that time. Would we be saying "Why didn't the state do something quicker?"

    Lots of "What ifs".

    The bottom line is the state over rode parental rights and forced medical treatment without due process and against the parents wishes. The fact they waited 24+ hours before taking the child shows a lack of immediacy to the situation and the doctor confirming there were no serious injuries goes against the States actions.

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    My take on this is quite possibly everyone is in the wrong from the busybody neighbor thro the father who would not allow a dr visit citing expense , even after the local dss offered to pick up the bill . Thro the judge who issued the " warrant " to sieze the child . The Sheriff could also have handled it better imho . However he cites some reasons for concern for his personnel and the folks who live at the address . I dont know how to say this pc so ill come right out and blirt it .. I have some personal friends who are " constitutionalists " and who have " made some statements " . All are upstanding fine folk who are rather firm in their opinions of how things should be . Some are less firm on how things actually are , and were i to send anyone to " seize " one of their children i would be forced to think more in the order of a fire team than a swat team . As a Sheriff when a Judge issued me an order to " seize said minor child " and immediately bring him/her before a doctor, hospital , whatever it is an order . The time for negotiation has now officially passed . Lets not dogpile the cops on this one as a court said there is danger to a child and you as LE will immediately seize him in body and bring him before medical experts . Even at the raid mom and dad could have said FINE lets go to the dammed er but i am suing your butts off later . This did not happen .

    I dont agree with anyone in this situation and it clearly ( to me at least ) spiraled out of control as a contest of egos between the family , the first responders , Dept of Social Services and the neighbor . This brought District Courts of Colorado into it . Most of our District Judges would have looked at the affidavits , and either summonsed ( either by a request ( summons ) or demand Warrant ) the parents to explain their side . This Judge for what ever reason issued his order as " Take the kid and get him to a Dr. now ) . The Sheriff now has no choice but to do what the judge says. Apparently due to some knowledge that this had a high likelihood of escalating to violence, he ( or someone acting under of color of his authority ) made a choice that the " safe " ( and by that i mean safe for everyone , not just the officers ) way to do this was a swat raid .

    This is an absolute travesty, a large scale goat f.... ermm well some of you know . However at this point in time i wont second guess the decision to use swat on the court order . I also wont say its right , I just don't have enough facts to decide . Some of us who are pretty strict constitutionalists do others no favor by broad pronouncements about what we would do if faced with situations we see in the news . When your at the coffee shop and see a doubtful action by the government on the TEEVEE there , be it a bad raid , or some dammed full yelling " Dont taze me Bro " at a political rally . My best advise is dont say " Damm I tell ya its a good thing i wasnt there I would have took em all out " or some such drivil . Instead turn to the fella beside you and say something to the effect ... " Did you see that crap ?? " I tell ya .. whats this world coming to , how can we rein in some of the radical folks who are elected , or work for that dept a bit ?

    Just my take on the whole thing with the info i have now .. I do have my non pc Asbestos underoos on so flame away lol .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Could this guy be the most stable, well adjusted, parent of the year type guy? He could, but the evidence suggests otherwise... To wit:

    1) Refused to allow his child to be seen by a doctor, even though it will be free, and even though the child has a head wound, and even though it has been strongly encouraged by competent medical personnel.
    Kids fall and bump their heads. I can't fault a parent for not taking their kids to the doctor for every little fall they have. These "competent medical personnel" you refer to did not conduct themselves in a professional manner right from the start. I don't know the law in his state, but in my state they were trespassing when they went into his house without permission. Even if it was perfectly legal from them to enter his house, it is still common courtesy to ask permission before you enter. If someone went walking into my house without my permission and demanded to take one of my kids (to the hospital or anywhere), "competent" would not be a word I would use in describing them. I think if my kid is acting normal, not more or less active then normal and the only thing I can see is a bruise where he hit his head I would not rush off to the emergency room either. In this day of lawsuits, it is my opinon that EMTs always want you to go to the hospital so they don't get sued.

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    2) Refused to obey a court order, when directed to by legitimate law enforecement personnel.
    As I have said, I want to know more about this incident. It sounds like they were not very insistent that he do this. If they were as forceful as I would have expected, then either the kid would be going to the hospital or the kid would be going to the hospital and the dad would be going to jail.

    Since the dad didn't go to jail, I am inclined to believe that the deputies did not put it in "court order" terms and expressed the same concerns that the EMTs had already expressed with the same strenghth "demand".
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    3) Made threats (the old "you'd better bring an army" line) to LEOs.
    In all the news articles I have read, he did not "threaten" the LEOs. He told the social workers that they better "bring an army". While I think this was the wrong thing to say, I understand the sentiment. At this point you have EMTs and social workers both exceeding their authority and making demands/telling you how to raise your kids. I'd be pretty pissed at this point myself. Keep in mind, at this point this father has allowed two groups of people (EMTs and Social Workers) examine his son even though both of them were exceeding their authority when they demanded to be able to do that.
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    4) Is known to the local sheriff for threats in the past.
    The same sheriff that justifies SWAT because he is a "Constitutionalist"? That sheriff has some issues himself.

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    5) Has made questionable statements about his grasp of reality: "Who can put limits on who is a qualified medical provider," in essence, which shows a serious detachment from the world we live in.
    This has been addressed in this forum already. Re-reading it I see how you would have interpreted it the way you did, but I don't believe that is how he meant it the way you took it. I think he was saying that he is the father and he is the one ultimately responsible for the care of his kids. Who do you think should be able to make your medical decisions for you? If you had a religious belief that prevented you from receiving a donated organ, who has the right to override that decision and force you to receive that organ?

    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    The fact that he has ten kids and lives in a trailer is an indicator, not an absolute, and I admit that. But, it is an indicator. So, I ask these questions in return:

    What if the sheriff didn't mention "constitutionalist" is his justification?
    In my opinion this would have given him more perceived credibility. If we are playing what-ifs: What if he hadn't used that word and the two deputies had stayed at the house and called backup that then escalated to SWAT? Well then I would have a completely different take on this story.

    On the other side, what if the sheriff hadn't used constitutionalist as a negative but had said something like "No parent should be allowed to make medical decisions about his children." or some other ridiculous assertion that has no legal standing but clearly identified the sheriff's willingness to push his own personal (but not legal) opinion?

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    What would your reaction have been if the child had died as a result of never being treated?
    Probably, but then I would have believed the social workers instead of the father. The social workers described a "sluggish" pupil which can be an indication of a concussion or contussion to the brain. In the US, I would expect a doctor to get an MRI and observe overnight if a sluggish pupil was found after a head injury. Since the doctor did not do either of these things I do not believe the social worker saw a sluggish pupil.

    That being said, even if the doctor had found a major problem and had to do brain surgery, I would not have agreed with using the SWAT team and a no-knock-warrant to get the boy. I would not have been as vocal against it, but I would not have agreed with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Would you refuse a court order, served to you by legitimate authorities, if you were in this situation? Would you tell the police to "bring an army" if they came back?
    No, I would not have done either of those. However, I'm not sure that the father in this case did both either. As I have said, I read that he said "bring an army" to the social workers. Not that it really matters because he shouldn't have said it but, at least for me, saying something stupid to an authority figure (police) is worse then saying something stupid to non-authority figures (social workers). Did he knowingly refuse a court order served by a legitimate authority? Maybe he did, but I wouldn't even know HOW to refuse a court order served by a sheriff deputy! Well, that's not true I guess you could resist by force. So let me rephrase, I would not even know how to refuse a court order served by a sheriff deputy and not end up in cuffs if not in jail. Again, since he didn't go to jail I am inclined to believe the deputies did not express themselves in such a way that would make the father believe it was anything more then another "recommendation".

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