Teen Kills Himself Playing Russian Roulette

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    1) How did the kid know where it was?

    2) It wasn't secure?

    3) Loaded and not easily accessible?

    4) Culpability of the parents?

    Personally, I hold the parents responsible and they should be held accountable.

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    Unfortunately kids do not understand they are not invincible. I don't blame the parents , the kids intentionally went and got the gun. They were old enough to know better and what could happen. The learning curve is steep with guns, which is why more elementary training is needed for all kids.
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    Well, I'll add one more:

    How did the kid know how to unload/operate the weapon? Hummmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    How is it an accident when you put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger? I think we should invent a new word for this sort of thing: stupidentally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    Well, I'll add one more:

    How did the kid know how to unload/operate the weapon? Hummmm

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    I appears he didn't, at least properly......
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    Kids will always do what they shouldn't. It is up to the parents to proprely secure any and all fire arms. All long guns and the majority of hand guns should be in a gun safe. The ready gun should be placed in a mini vault, close at hand. Yes we should continue to drill and train our kids on fire arm safety, but the stakes are higher now than when we were younger. Peer pressure, video games and dumb choices can cloud everyday common sense. Don't ever take any chances. I have an 11 and 16 year old who are properly trained. But in the rare event that my wife and I are out of the house at the same time, I don't have to worry about any gun "accident". Yeah I know that the kid put the gun in his mouth and fired, but he trusted his life to his friends. Don't depend on trust to save a life. Discipline, training and safety are the only way. Be confident in the knowledge that when you leave your home, your firearms are safely locked up from you kids, their friends or any thieves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky View Post
    The learning curve is steep with guns, which is why more elementary training is needed for all kids.
    Interesting idea. Communist countries used to do military drills and firearms training in elementary school. Not sure if any still do. It sounds like a good idea for everyone to have basic firearm training. I think it would help reduce this sort of accident.

    we could update the 3 R's:

    Reading, Writing, and Range time
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    I am not jumping on this stupid parents bandwagon. It appears that they took reasonable precautions with the gun. What about those of you that keep one on the nightstand. The gun was in a cabinet in the parents bedroom and the kid was 14, not 4. At 19 in NM he can legally walk around with a gun on his side and in many states he could at 14. So now we are wanting to lock parents up beacuse they didn't put the gun under armed guard like in DC.
    Good point. I think back to when I was 14. There is no way that anyone could have kept a firearm from me if I had wanted to get to it. I would have figured it out some way.

    I often think back and say there but the Grace of God go I. On the other hand, I also recall the numerous safety lessons that my father constantly taught me for many years:

    1. Always treat guns as loaded, even if you are convinced for an absolute fact that it is unloaded.

    2. Never point an unloaded gun at anyone.

    3. Keep your finger off of the trigger of an unload gun.

    [Of course these rules also apply to loaded guns, but my father believed that most "accidents" of this type happened as the result of an "unloaded" gun.]

    In spite of my youthful curiosity, I think that my father's training made such an impression that I would never have stuck an unloaded pistol in my mouth.

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    I think this points out that, for those of us that have kids (or had kids) in the house, that its not your kid you have to worry about. Because, hopefully, you have taught your kid (although this particular kid maybe doesn't show much good sense to have gotten the gun out and "unloaded" it) but its the other peoples kids that have not been taught that you have to worry about. They come into your home and have had no such training. These situations, even if your are confident you have trained your kid, are why thats not enough. You can't train every kid nor can you be sure when one of them may enter your home. You can't really ever have them secure enough for that situation other than in a Safe where your the only one can get to them. Hard to do. But there are a lot of kids out there that your Son or Daughter may bring home with them, when your not there, that know nothing about guns and are curious about them and may bring peer pressure upon your kid to get them out. Even when you have taught them better. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwblanco View Post
    Good point. I think back to when I was 14. There is no way that anyone could have kept a firearm from me if I had wanted to get to it. I would have figured it out some way.

    I often think back and say there but the Grace of God go I. On the other hand, I also recall the numerous safety lessons that my father constantly taught me for many years:
    When people say didn't you do so-and-so when you were young? I reply you better believe it and that is what scares the #### out of me now.

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    A teenage boy accidentally shot himself to death this week playing Russian Roulette, his family said.
    For my money, the lead should read: A teenage boy purposely shot himself to death..

    The gaping hole in his medulla might have ended his life, but it's his stupidity and lack of sense that killed him. As for his math skills, perhaps he should have paid better attention in class when the teacher covered the topic of probabilities.

    Condolences to the families involved. Perhaps they can do better with the next in line.
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    Tragic, useless, stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    I understand, did you keep one on your nightstand before they were 18?
    No I did not. I hate to admit it but I was one of the sheep up until last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Nothing accidental here.
    He placed a gun into his mouth, and pulled the trigger.
    Suicide.

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    - Janq
    This much I agree with

    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    How is it an accident when you put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger? I think we should invent a new word for this sort of thing: stupidentally.
    Only if he shot himself in the teeth.

    Accidental suicide best describes it, IMHO.

    As for the parent, I would like more information. Seems, though, for someone to keep a loaded gun nearby, there should be some warning system which would awaken him. Had a BG been rooting around in his bureau, the gun-owner could easily have been the victim. I keep mine next to my bed and have the dog and an alarm to awaken me. The parent is at least guilty of negligence and failure to live in condition orange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randytulsa2 View Post
    Tragic, useless, stupid.
    +1 My thoughts exactly, but you beat me to it.

    Education about firearms is a step toward prevention. Obviously, his father didn't educate him about firearm safety and his son paid with his life.
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