Films, Heroes and Where Has it All Gone?

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    Question Films, Heroes and Where Has it All Gone?

    I just watched Rio Bravo (1959) with John Wayne, Dean Martin, Angie Dickinson and Rickie Nelson. Not a Great film, but a classic western with the "Duke".

    Fast forward to 2003 and Open Range with Costner, Duvall and Benning......better acting, gorgeous cinematography, but cliches abound, as in the original Rio Bravo............

    The similarities:

    The Good Win!
    The Bad Die!
    The good guy gets the lady!
    Good triumphs over evil!

    The Duke movies always did well...Costners, so so.........what's the difference? Not the same since Dances with Wolves?

    I enjoyed both........as simple entertainment.
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    While i enjoyed Open Range ya know Costner just isnt John Wayne..

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    For modern renditions of the good stuff, the remake of The Virginian with Bill Pullman in the lead isn't bad. Other than that, about the last decent one I can think of was Tom Horn, with Steve McQueen, though it has its quirks. The past 35yrs or so has been a bit dry for that sort of thing, you've got to admit.
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    I had some problems with Open Range.

    it irked me that Kevin Costner said goodbye to Annette Benning about 30 times, and was just so... um.... limp when it came to letting her know he fancied her. And so.... remorseful that he was about to kill some men who richly deserved it.

    But while Costner and Duvall were nutting up to the conflict, they were just SO involved in naval gazing.... GAK! I was almost afraid they were going to start crying or kiss, or something.

    The fight really would have ended about 5 seconds after Baxter threatened to kill every man in the town and burn their homes and turn the women and children into the snow.

    A dozen or more men with rifles and shotguns would have shot him to rags in a heartbeat for that.

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    What's all this hooey about Rio Bravo not being a 'great film'? It's one of the best ever.

    What's the difference? You never saw the Duke nancing about in his birthday suit, did ya?

    And by the way -- YOU FORGOT Walter Brennan, Ward Bond, and Claude Akins.

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    while we're ducussing westerns, can't forget the duke as rooster coqburn
    (i think i spelled that right). great movie, but than again so were all of
    the duke's movies.imo
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    Hollywood hates heroes, they make them feel less than human. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things without a major budget and a crew of thousands including managers & yes-Men? That is a no-no. heroes need to be cut down to less than human size.

    But still, some stuff does come out: Blackhawk Down, & The Patriot
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    Love John Wayne movies....he also had some memorable quotes. Here are some of my favorites & I bet some of them you didn't it was he who said it:
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    I have to agree on Rio Bravo. But my favorite has always been Big Jake!
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    The Duke Sez...



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    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White View Post
    While i enjoyed Open Range ya know Costner just isnt John Wayne..
    I think we have a contender for understatement of the year!
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    I think the last of the really good westerns I saw was the Duke's final one, The Shootist. But then I can't think of too many movies he made that weren't good. Probably one of my favorite was The Quiet Man.

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