Another example of "great" British medical system

Another example of "great" British medical system

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    Another example of "great" British medical system

    From the FOX NEWS Website:





    11-year-old Boy Deaf for Nine Years is Suddenly Cured

    Monday, January 28, 2008


    An 11-year-old boy from Britain, who was deaf for nearly 10 years, was suddenly cured when a thick piece of cotton popped out of his ear, according to a report in the Daily Mail.

    Jerome Bartens was diagnosed as deaf in his right ear when he was just two-years-old.

    Click here to read the full story and see pictures

    Over the next nine years, he struggled to live a normal life as a young boy but everything changed when he felt a sudden pop in his right ear while playing a game of pool with friends.

    He put his finger in his ear and pulled out a tip of a cotton wool bud that had been wedged in his ear since he was a toddler.

    "It was just incredible his hearing returned to normal in an instant," Barten's dad said.

    "I had always suspected Jerome had stuck something in his ear when he was little and that was causing the problem. But the doctors and hearing specialists said it was wax and he would probably grow out of it."

    "I am amazed they didn't spot something as obvious as a cotton wool bud."

    Jerome is due to be examined by hearing experts later this week and his dad is taking along the cotton wool bud as proof of his "miracle cure".

    "It was very strange at first to be able to hear everything," said Barten.

    "But now I'm getting used to it it's great that people don't have to shout to me or that I don't have to turn my head all the time."
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    No one even bothered to look in his ear? They can see all the way to the eardrum with those otoscopes.

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    Yeah, sign me up for socialized medical care.
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    I bet that thing was pretty gross after 9 years in captivity. Too bad for the kid he was born in a socialist country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morintp View Post
    No one even bothered to look in his ear? They can see all the way to the eardrum with those otoscopes.
    Doesn't surprise me at all. I was reading about how equipment and machines that are standard in all our hospitals is in such short supply there, sometimes there is only a few of a certain machine in the whole country.
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    Doesn't surprise me at all. I was reading about how equipment and machines that are standard in all our hospitals is in such short supply there, sometimes there is only a few of a certain machine in the whole country.
    Some machines in short supply...that's fine. I can undertsnad that a MRI or a CT Scanner may not always be at the local clinic or hospital. But something as basic as an otoscope for Pete's sake. It seems to me that basic health care is NOT being provided in the UK. It is obvious that not one qualified health care provider even LOOKED in this lad's ear.

    If Hillary gets elected, I certainly hope she doesnt get sick while on a trip to the UK...although it would be poetic justice though wouldnt it, with her socialized medicine plans and all!

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    OK... I'll play devils advocate:

    If leaving a cotton swab in an infants ear = a broken medical system...


    what does this = ?

    Patient loses Kidney...

    Are we pointing out the splinter in someone else's eye here?
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    No one took the time of day to look in his ear. It's pretty obvious when you look inside someone's ear with a scope and see a foreign object.

    In fact, in the US, if there's a wax plug (as they thought originally), it's standard operating procedure to get it cleaned and flushed out. Sure, if it were a wax plug it could go away on its own, but this is a testament to laziness on a physician's part.

    If medicine gets socialized and gets to the point where it's no longer fun and profitable, I won't practice. My father has a really nice construction company he started himself, and I could make plenty of money doing that. What's also sad is, I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.

    It's already bad enough... when a physician orders a routine xray for a medicare/aid patient, he personally loses $5 because he'll never be reimbursed fully for it. That's just an example, some reimbursements are as low as 16% of "retail", WAY below "cost."

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    In response to "Patient loses Kidney"

    First, I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Not all doctors are "good," in fact, there are many TERRIBLE physicians out and about. Leaving a towel inside someone is NOT acceptable.

    However, the point of the Orange County magazine article (from the People's Republic of Kalifornia) before it turned into a "bash-the-doctor" article was that the maximum award caps instilled years ago aren't porportional. Yesterday's dollars don't equal today's dollars. In this aspect, the author has a good point.

    I just hope the country doesn't look to someone like John Edwards, who made his millions as a plaintiff's attorney suing OBGYN's for babies developing "cone-heads" during birth. Lawsuits that, in this day and age, would get thrown out due to sheer lunacy. In fact, a newborn's skull is extremely pliable for that very reason, to help it squeeze out! Things round out within a few days, and the skull doesn't seal completely for some time later.

    But hey... if the country wants to elect an attorney who collected 1/3 of all his plaintiff's winnings, on what would now be considered frivolous lawsuits, so be it. He's part of the reasons that OBGYN malpractice insurance premiums are frequently well over $30,000 per year.

    The problem with the system is Managed Care. HMO's are government-created entities that result in patient care being in the hands of accountants... allowing insurance companies to cut their costs by only reimbursing procedures THEY (not physicans) deem necessary. If you socialize medicine, wouldn't the government do the same?

    I'll step off the pulpit now. Obviously a very sensitive issue for me. However, when you go to the polls... I want you to ask yourself... Do you want to have your healthcare managed by the same people who gave you the Department of Motor Vehicles?

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    Interesting.Last year a doctor removed a piece of gauze from my right ear.I had 2 bad motorcycle wrecks when I was young.This was the only surgery I ever had which was immediately after the first wreck,over 35 years ago!I thought my hearing was bad in this ear.No ear nose and throat doctor ever found it in previous exams.The doctor that performed the original surgery in the early 1970's is long deceased.He was a U.S.A. born and trained,with a huge practice to boot.So I suppose this could happen in any country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senseiturtle View Post
    In response to "Patient loses Kidney"

    First, I'll give the benefit of the doubt. Not all doctors are "good," in fact, there are many TERRIBLE physicians out and about. Leaving a towel inside someone is NOT acceptable.

    However, the point of the Orange County magazine article (from the People's Republic of Kalifornia) before it turned into a ... (sic)
    I agree in general... again just playing devils advocate.

    My point wasn't the aim of the article, but rather the incident it highlighted.

    As you've pointed out, in both cases it's a Dr. making a bad call... messing up... etc.

    Neither article addresses the system, only single incidents.

    I was just trying to highlight the logical fallacy involved in judging either system of health care based on individual cases of malpractice.
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    Sorry to hear that, Mr. Stuart. How big was the gauze? Was it behind the eardrum? Wedged in scar tissue? I'm just curious.

    It's a little more understandable if it's a small piece (as in, a few threads) after a very traumatic event that involves a lot of blood... It doesn't take much to obstruct the eardrum. But still, that doesn't make it "right."

    Glad it turned out as well as it did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matiki View Post
    I agree in general... again just playing devils advocate.

    My point wasn't the aim of the article, but rather the incident it highlighted.

    As you've pointed out, in both cases it's a Dr. making a bad call... messing up... etc.

    Neither article addresses the system, only single incidents.

    I was just trying to highlight the logical fallacy involved in judging either system of health care based on individual cases of malpractice.
    It's cool, man. I love being Devil's Advocate as well, keeps things interesting!

    The US healthcare system is certainly the best in the world, in terms of access, probability of survival, level of technological integration, etc. etc... But it's the damn money issue that's keeping it from being that much better. Government will certainly not fix it, but it certainly could do something about the usurious insurance industry that turns people's healthcare (and denial of such) into a source of profit.

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    Now us here are well aware of the accidental death ratio for doctors vs. gun owners.
    I know I'd looked in the boys ear ........ and I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
    I glad the boy can hear now.
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    This a q-tip, something that is used in a bazillion ears every day, that got stuck in this particular kid's ear canal for ten years that basically "popped" out on its own...not after surgery to remove it.

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