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    ICBM Missle Reminder- spy satellite

    Navy missile hits spy satellite

    By ROBERT BURNS

    WASHINGTON - A missile launched from a Navy ship struck a dying U.S. spy satellite passing 130 miles over the Pacific on Wednesday, the Pentagon said.
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    It was not clear whether the operation succeeded in its main goal of destroying a tank aboard the satellite that carried a toxic fuel that U.S. officials said could pose a hazard to humans if it landed in a populated area.
    This evening the US Navy launched a medium range ballistic missile and successfully hit a dead spy satellite in low earth orbit. It is really amazing some of the technology that has been built and the precision with it was deployed. that being said,

    It is an eerie reminder of the Cold War. Just think- the US Navy just launched a Ballistic Missile! This wasn't a test either, it was a real mission with a real target. To my limited knowledge, this is the first operational use of a ballistic missile? Scary ...

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    No warhead, destruction by impact only.
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    t was not clear whether the operation succeeded in its main goal of destroying a tank aboard the satellite that carried a toxic fuel that U.S. officials said could pose a hazard to humans if it landed in a populated area.
    I didn't think satellites had any onboard fuel. They get where they are by rocket or the shuttle. Sounds fishy to me. Toxic or secret? Yeah.

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    The "toxic Fuel" was probably maneuvering fuel that was used in small amounts to correct or change the course. Since spy satellites were in polar orbits, they could be maneuvered to fly over any point on the earths surface.

    If you watch a space shuttle landing, they check for fuel residue before opening the door, and I recall seeing that the first ground crew who approach the shuttle wear protective equipment. I have no idea if they use the same type of fuel as the satellite on the shuttle but it would make sense.

    If you are interested, a great book on spy satellites is "Deep Black" by William Burroughs. (It's available on Amazon, but I could not figure how to link to it.) The book is a little dated, but goes into incredible detail.
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    They use small thrusters to adjust orbit/attitude etc. Well, when the computer doesnt' lock up that is.

    The actual risk was probably minimal, and if there was some 'secret' stuff it probably would have burned up on re-entry too. I think it sounds like a good excuse to shoot something with a big missile.
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    Just a minor point, but I don't think the Navy fired a ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles, true to their name, follow ballistic arcs and are not really used by themselves to shoot anything down. Likely they launched an SM-2 or an SM-3 "Standard" SAM. Those missiles are guided and follow defined flight plans under power. They have been proven recently to have the capability to actually intercept ICBM's in the initial boost phase and IIRC the Navy has had some success on intercepting them in their pre-terminal phase.

    Yep. Here ya go:
    DoD Succeeds In Intercepting Non-Functioning Satellite

    You think its hot stuff that the US can shoot down a satellite for giggles with a normal cruiser? The THAAD system will be rediculous (even if I do disagree with its KE kill techniques). Missile systems like this are one of the reasons Russia has been getting so angry lately. They've got more nukes than anyone and if we can completely negate their nuclear capability, where does that leave them? What about the Chinese or North Koreans? Iran? This is new tech and its very effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    I didn't think satellites had any onboard fuel. They get where they are by rocket or the shuttle. Sounds fishy to me. Toxic or secret? Yeah.
    How do you think they stay up there?

    Most large satellites have a fuel system of some type to use for getting them to and keeping them in proper orbit. In a lot of cases the longer the mission, the more fuel they will carry. The fuel systems also give "spy" satellites an option of being able to do some modification of their initial orbits.

    One odd exception to this is Hubble, because of it's sensitive optics it maneuvering is done with reaction wheels, and orbital boosts by the Shuttle on servicing missions.
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    Hey China.......watch this!

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    The missile used was the Standard Missile 3, which is a surface to air interceptor missile used to defend the US Fleet against enemy aircraft. This missile was modified to remove the warhead, so that it would be a kinetic kill, instead of an explosive kill; that was done in order to minimize the spread of bits and pieces of the satellite and missile after impact, so the residue can be confined to the smallest area of space, and hopefully fall into the atmosphere and burn up. The idea was to minimize the amount of "space junk" in orbit due to the satellite being fragmented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
    Hey China.......watch this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
    Hey China.......watch this!
    Actually, China beat us to it. They shot down one of their own previously, and the US raised hell about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Actually, China beat us to it. They shot down one of their own previously, and the US raised hell about it.
    Actually, we did it first in 1985. They conducted their one and only successful test last year. (I think.....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    Actually, China beat us to it. They shot down one of their own previously, and the US raised hell about it.
    I think the U.S. just wanted to show the world we cane still flex our muscles at 130 miles out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David in FL View Post
    Hey China.......watch this!
    My thoughts exactly. I think its great to be able to tell China "Oh by the way, that nifty technology that you just came up with, yea we have had that as a portable platform mounted to our naval ships for a while now."
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