The Pledge

This is a discussion on The Pledge within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Euclidean Ban it. Go ahead. We'll say it anyway. Or my room will at least. What say you ExSoldier? Hey Euc,,,go ahead ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclidean
    Ban it. Go ahead. We'll say it anyway. Or my room will at least.

    What say you ExSoldier?
    Hey Euc,,,go ahead brother I am a Mental Health counselor in the school system and I see how you teachers struggle with the hardcore kids. Thus, I work very close with Educators and I tell you the kids today don't have anthing to take pride in other than what they see on TV and videos. Its truly scary.
    Listen, Think and React.....Nuff Said.....

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    I could say things that would get my butt banned. Instead I will take the high road:

    Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

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    No one else has done so, Please allow me to.....


    I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG: What do those words mean to you? To me, they say, thank you America, for your strength, your courage, and for our freedom... you've been a beacon to the world, for two hundred years.

    OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Whose bright stars are fifty states, each bearing it's own stamp of individuality. People, two hundred million strong. People, who have come to us from all corners of the earth.

    AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS: A land of laws. An ingenious system of checks and balances, that allows no man to become a tyrant, and lets no group prevail, if their power is not tempered with real concern for the government. A land where the right of dissent, and free speech are jealously guarded, where ballot boxes are swords and the people its wielders.

    ONE NATION UNDER GOD: A land where freedom of worship, is the cornerstone of her being. A land graced with temples and churches, synagogues and alters, that rise in profusion, to embrace all the religions of the world.

    INDIVISIBLE: A land forged by the hot steel of raw courage, and formed forever by the awful crucible, civil war.

    WITH LIBERTY: That a man in pursuit of an honest life, will not be denied his chance. Where her citizens move freely within her vast borders without hindrance or fear. A land brimming with opportunity, where freedom of choice is the guideline for all.

    AND JUSTICE: The courts of our land are open to all. It's wheels of justice grind for all causes, all people. They look to every avenue for justice, every concern of the law, and they temper their reasoning with mercy, for all.



    "I pledge allegiance to the flag
    of the United States of America,
    and to the republic for which it stands.
    One nation, under God, indivisible,
    with liberty and justice for all."


    The original pledge was written by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) and was originally published by The Youth's Companion, a Boston magazine.

    The National Flag Conferences of the American Legion expanded the original wording in 1923 and 1924.

    In 1942, Congress made the pledge part of its code for the use of the flag.

    In 1954, it added the words "under God."
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    The original pledge was written by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) and was originally published by The Youth's Companion, a Boston magazine.

    The National Flag Conferences of the American Legion expanded the original wording in 1923 and 1924.

    In 1942, Congress made the pledge part of its code for the use of the flag.

    In 1954, it added the words "under God."
    Here is an unpopular suggestion....... Remove the words "under God" and return the Pledge to the way it was written. I understand thet the author was REV. Bellamy, who as a minister did not see the need to include "under God". That was a some political "hack" that thought it would show the Godless "commies" how good we were.

    (As an aside..... I'm such an old f##t that I didn't know they'd changed the Pledge until the "stink" started a few years ago!)
    Last edited by rstickle; September 15th, 2005 at 07:58 AM.
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    In light of the whole God discussion, I thought I'd share something I recieved a little while back. Notice it does not endorse one religion over another it just mentions God. And if you're atheist I don't care because it is far from offensive.


    Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this
    happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).
    Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this,
    just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out
    of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of
    our lives.

    And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed
    out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His
    protection if we demand He leave us alone?"



    In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school
    shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare
    (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't
    want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

    Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school the
    Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love
    your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children
    when they misbehave because their little personalities would be
    warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son
    committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's
    talking about. And we said OK.


    Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no
    conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it
    doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and
    themselves.



    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can
    figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP
    WHAT WE SOW."


    Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder
    why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the
    newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.



    Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread
    like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the
    Lord, people think twice about sharing.



    Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely
    through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in
    the school and workplace.

    Are you laughing?


    Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it
    to many on your address list because you're not sure what they
    believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how
    we can be more worried about what other people think of us than
    what God thinks of us.
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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    Maybe a word of encouragement - it ain't over yet! IIRC, it is this same court that has had more of it's decisions reversed than any other court.

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    Good point Tangle. Like I said, a total Clown Show.
    There are 2 sounds in the world that strike more fear than any others. A click when you should hear a bang and a bang when you should hear a click.

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    This thread does not belong in General Firearm Discussion - I am moving it to the Off Topic section.
    "Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa

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    While I think that the lawsuit is a waste of time and taxpayer's money, I also can't see a huge problem with returning the Pledge to it's original form. Were there any lawsuits back then demanding that "under God" be _added_?

    Why doesn't somebody sue now to _add_ a religious reference to the Star Spangled Banner? If it's so important for it to be in the Pledge, why isn't it important for it to be in TSSB?

    I think it's a bunch of BS on both sides.
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    Actually, this is much ado about not much. Judge Kartlon's ruling only applies to three school districts in Sacramento County at this point.

    If his ruling is upheld by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which they haven't considered yet), their decision would only apply to the nine western states in the 9th Circuit's jurisdiction.

    It'll be a long time before this issue is heard before the USSC again.


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


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    their decision would only apply to the nine western states in the 9th Circuit's jurisdiction.
    That'd be nine too many!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch
    Actually, this is much ado about not much. Judge Kartlon's ruling only applies to three school districts in Sacramento County at this point.

    If his ruling is upheld by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which they haven't considered yet), their decision would only apply to the nine western states in the 9th Circuit's jurisdiction.

    It'll be a long time before this issue is heard before the USSC again.
    It may well be, unless you happen to live in Arizona....
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