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    Do you have any idea how hard it is to Shut UP???

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    Very interesting. Not sure I totally agree but he makes a good bit of sense. Worth watching, thanks for posting.
    Facts are negotiable, perceptions are not.

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    I give that advice all the time, here and in my practice...

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    great advice...and great reseources to back up the claim.
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    Very interesting. The LEO said some things that I never would have known.
    Benjamin Franklin once said, "he that would supplant a little liberty for a little safety deserves neither".

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    Quote Originally Posted by realitycramp View Post
    Very interesting. Not sure I totally agree but he makes a good bit of sense. Worth watching, thanks for posting.
    Im curious as to what points you do not agree on.

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    That is a great post, thanks for the info....

    It reminds me of the seminar we had at my first CCW class here in TX back in the '90s shortly after the law was passed here. A criminal defense attorney spoke to us, and basically said exactly the same thing as Professor Duane regarding what you say to police and how much trouble it can get you into.

    Again, great post....
    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefsmw View Post
    Im curious as to what points you do not agree on.
    Yeah.

    Me too.

    Everything both of them said was dead on accurate.

    If people took that advice I would have to work on personal injury cases and writing wills for people because my criminal practice would go right to hell.

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    As a LEO I give that advice to officers I train. Don't say a word (other than to advise if that the situation is over...are there any suspects still roaming, their descriptions that kind of thing) Don't say ANYTHING about the incident, distances, how many rounds fired...don't engage in small talk...nothing - not even to your buddy whom you might have had coffee with a few minutes ago. Speak to an attorney.

    The policy I wrote for my agency gives our agents at least 24 hours (and the opportunity to consult with an attorney) prior to any statements being taken. I advise them to try to rest...keep a memo pad next to their bed and jot down anything they recall...then share that with their attorney.

    In a UoDF perceptions are very skewed...so interviewing someone is going to give very altered distances, tachypsychia, audio exclusion, etc...

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    I've heard it said this way before.

    There are only two types of witnesses, a witness for the defense and a witness for the prosecution. Which role do the police play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefsmw View Post
    Im curious as to what points you do not agree on.
    I intellectually agree with everything. I have a hard time not feeling there is some place for being helpful without hurting yourself. After thinking about it I tend to empathize too much and if this occurs I will likely follow the advice. There is a part of me that will want to help if that occurs assuming the best in others. Easy to get burned thinking that way...
    Facts are negotiable, perceptions are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Yeah.

    Me too.

    Everything both of them said was dead on accurate.

    If people took that advice I would have to work on personal injury cases and writing wills for people because my criminal practice would go right to hell.
    That's all I need to know!!

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    I worked my way through college as a police dispatcher:

    I've had a couple of friends who've gotten in trouble with the law beyond misdemeanor offenses and when they come to me about what to do, my first statement before they even begin is "Shut the hell up and get a lawyer, you aren't required to talk to law enforcement, I don't want to know the details until it's been resolved in court".

    We also once had a cop admit to felony behavior during a videotaped polygraph, not wanting to have the poly detect a lie. Even cops can be roped in to their own games.

    Oh yeah, that's the second piece of advice. Never take a polygraph test. They aren't court admissible, but the video/audio recordings are.

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    Wow, I never really thought of it that way. I always told myself that in that situation, I would be as truthful as I was able, and if the questions took a turn for the worse, I'd ask for an attorney. But this throws that out the window.

    The thing that really gets me is that anything you say can be used against you, but nothing can be used for you because it's hearsay. That just doesn't seem right or fair.

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