Survivalists and oil crisis

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    Survivalists and oil crisis

    Energy fears looming, new survivalists prepare
    By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Writer Posted Sat May 24, 2008 11:12am PDT

    Peter Laskowski stacks firewood at his remote home in Waitsfield, Vt., Friday, April 11, 2008. Convinced that the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)
    BUSKIRK, N.Y. - A few years ago, Kathleen Breault was just another suburban grandma, driving countless hours every week, stopping for lunch at McDonald's, buying clothes at the mall, watching TV in the evenings.

    That was before Breault heard an author talk about the bleak future of the world's oil supply. Now, she's preparing for the world as we know it to disappear.

    Breault cut her driving time in half. She switched to a diet of locally grown foods near her upstate New York home and lost 70 pounds. She sliced up her credit cards, banished her television and swore off plane travel. She began relying on a wood-burning stove.

    "I was panic-stricken," the 50-year-old recalled, her voice shaking. "Devastated. Depressed. Afraid. Vulnerable. Weak. Alone. Just terrible."

    Convinced the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, some people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare.

    The exact number of people taking such steps is impossible to determine, but anecdotal evidence suggests that the movement has been gaining momentum in the last few years.

    These energy survivalists are not leading some sort of green revolution meant to save the planet. Many of them believe it is too late for that, seeing signs in soaring fuel and food prices and a faltering U.S. economy, and are largely focused on saving themselves.

    Some are doing it quietly, giving few details of their preparations afraid that revealing such information as the location of their supplies will endanger themselves and their loved ones. They envision a future in which the nation's cities will be filled with hungry, desperate refugees forced to go looking for food, shelter and water.

    "There's going to be things that happen when people can't get things that they need for themselves and their families," said Lynn-Marie, who believes cities could see a rise in violence as early as 2012.

    Lynn-Marie asked to be identified by her first name to protect her homestead in rural western Idaho. Many of these survivalists declined to speak to The Associated Press for similar reasons.

    These survivalists believe in "peak oil," the idea that world oil production is set to hit a high point and then decline. Scientists who support idea say the amount of oil produced in the world each year has already or will soon begin a downward slide, even amid increased demand. But many scientists say such a scenario will be avoided as other sources of energy come in to fill the void.

    On the PeakOil.com Web site, where upward of 800 people gathered on recent evenings, believers engage in a debate about what kind of world awaits.

    Some members argue there will be no financial crash, but a slow slide into harder times. Some believe the federal government will respond to the loss of energy security with a clampdown on personal freedoms. Others simply don't trust that the government can maintain basic services in the face of an energy crisis.

    The powers that be, they've determined, will be largely powerless to stop what is to come.

    Determined to guard themselves from potentially harsh times ahead, Lynn-Marie and her husband have already planted an orchard of about 40 trees and built a greenhouse on their 7 1/2 acres. They have built their own irrigation system. They've begun to raise chickens and pigs, and they've learned to slaughter them.

    The couple have gotten rid of their TV and instead have been reading dusty old books published in their grandparents' era, books that explain the simpler lifestyle they are trying to revive. Lynn-Marie has been teaching herself how to make soap. Her husband, concerned about one day being unable to get medications, has been training to become an herbalist.

    By 2012, they expect to power their property with solar panels, and produce their own meat, milk and vegetables. When things start to fall apart, they expect their children and grandchildren will come back home and help them work the land. She envisions a day when the family may have to decide whether to turn needy people away from their door.

    "People will be unprepared," she said. "And we can imagine marauding hordes."

    So can Peter Laskowski. Living in a woodsy area outside of Montpelier, Vt., the 57-year-old retiree has become the local constable and a deputy sheriff for his county, as well as an emergency medical technician.

    "I decided there was nothing like getting the training myself to deal with insurrections, if that's a possibility," said the former executive recruiter.

    Laskowski is taking steps similar to environmentalists: conserving fuel, consuming less, studying global warming, and relying on local produce and craftsmen. Laskowski is powering his home with solar panels and is raising fish, geese, ducks and sheep. He has planted apple and pear trees and is growing lettuce, spinach and corn.

    Whenever possible, he uses his bicycle to get into town.

    "I remember the oil crisis in '73; I remember waiting in line for gas," Laskowski said. "If there is a disruption in the oil supply it will be very quickly elevated into a disaster."

    Breault said she hopes to someday band together with her neighbors to form a self-sufficient community. Women will always be having babies, she notes, and she imagines her skills as a midwife will always be in demand.

    For now, she is readying for the more immediate work ahead: There's a root cellar to dig, fruit trees and vegetable plots to plant. She has put a bicycle on layaway, and soon she'll be able to bike to visit her grandkids even if there is no oil at the pump.

    Whatever the shape of things yet to come, she said, she's done what she can to prepare.

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    This pretty much describes the attitude that I've adopted over the last year or so. It'll take me a few years to reach the point of being able to be self-sufficient should I ever have to be, but that is my goal. I may or may not be 'paranoid' to some degree, but that aspect of it doesn't matter to me at all. I actually enjoy thinking about how to become more & more self-reliant, and then going out to get the tools & skills to make it happen.

    Put it this way - if all the doom & gloom predictions are wrong, and our GDP goes up 10% per year for the rest of the century, gas goes back down below $1 & poverty is eliminated, I'll still be able to live on my own within a decade or so. And I might choose to do so!
    "It is only as retaliation that force may be used and only against the man who starts its use. No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had a right to choose: his own." - John Galt, from Atlas Shrugged

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    It wouldn't take much to push my area into panic. One major ice storm here and the store shelves are stripped of preparedness supplies and water. Store food supplies would last longer, but would run out within a week if not resupplied. I don't think most people in my area are prepared at all. I envision the need to be able to take care of all family needs for several weeks or months with what I already have in the house once an emergency or disaster occurs.

    I do think those in cities will be hit harder if a crisis comes. I don't live in the country any longer, so I can't plant fruit trees or a huge garden, or raise animals for food. I like the idea of self-sufficiency, but my focus now is divided among the following:

    Storing nonperishable food, water, and emergency supplies
    Obtaining enough guns and ammo to invalidate the next assault weapons ban
    Hardening my house to resist break-ins, if we choose to stay
    Having a bug-out plan and destination, if we choose to leave

    Call me a pessimist, but I am not optimistic for continued smooth sailing of our lifestyle and living arrangments, especially if gas prices continue to rise or some major negative event occurs.

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    I saw that article this morning and found it interesting. What is even more interesting to me though, is the fact that its an AP article in the main stream media.
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    "I was panic-stricken," the 50-year-old recalled, her voice shaking. "Devastated. Depressed. Afraid. Vulnerable. Weak. Alone. Just terrible."
    There are people with all kinds of illnesses, in the world. This is one of them. Fear-mongering crushes such folk.
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    I believe it, too.

    I make pretty good money as an Engineer, but I've taken a second job at Wally World(speaking of which, the Wally Walk takes on a whole different meaning when you work there, will post a thread at some later time) to help pay for more undeveloped acerage.

    If I'm wrong, then I still have a place to fish, hunt and camp. If I'm right, then I have a generator, stored fuel, supplies, water, and readily accessible game.

    I figure either way, the value of the property WILL go up, eventually, and if the oil fields really are refilling, then with population growth, the amount of land like that will become scarce, and I want a piece of it.
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    people been doing this for a very long time they even have closed villages, golly this was a big stories back in the 60's.
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    I can certainly understand the mindset - I'm one of the ones who prepared seriously for Y2K. I was wrong, and have financial consequences I'm still dealing with (in addition to being embarassed). However, the cost of being wrong by overpreparing ($/embarassment) beats the cost of being wrong had I failed to prepare and society collapsed (family dead by starvation or violence).

    Is preparation warranted today? Probably. Keep in mind that "Just In Time" inventory and having enough to eat AT ALL are an historical abberation. Should we panic? No. Should we make responsible provision for ourselves and families? Sure! (Duh: that's why we're on this forum.) But I'm afraid that my crystal ball is in the shop and you all will have to make your own decisions as to likely risks and prudent actions. May God give us wisdom and courage as we do.
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    Oil companies will never divulge the secret that the world's oil supplies are dwindling. We should figure that one out for ourselves - $4 a gallon gasoline - Holy Mother Teresa!
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    Very few out there actually could survive on their rations for more than a few days and not be getting hungry.
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    As log as one takes notes during Man vs. Wild then they would be able to survive.

    I'm sorry, I couldn't help it, I can't even type this with a straight face.

    I would normally say that moving to a homestead would be a bit extreme, but I just got back from a party in Melissa, TX and the land these people had with their house right in the middle on a hill was beautiful. So even if the masses don't revolt and start to plunder, it would be a nice place to just sit and sip sweet tea, and I mean real NC sweet tea.

    Not to say that I am not worried or even armed in case it happens, but you know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crzy4guns View Post
    Oil companies will never divulge the secret that the world's oil supplies are dwindling. We should figure that one out for ourselves - $4 a gallon gasoline - Holy Mother Teresa!
    That's very true. The amount of oil OPEC countries are allowed to export is proportional to the amount of reserves. It's interesting that their published reserves has not changed in 10 years. They keep producing oil, but they still have the same amount left.

    Our country is borrowing money like there is no tomorrow...I wonder if they know something we don't?
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