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This is a discussion on 55% of Gun Deaths are Suicide within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by SIXTO Huh... the stats regarding race were interesting. I wonder why such a difference. Talk to anyone who is or has been ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Huh... the stats regarding race were interesting. I wonder why such a difference.
    Talk to anyone who is or has been involved in senior or elder care and they will tell you the exact same as this citation.
    It's been that way for decades and generations and is nothing new, for America and D.C.

    As to the why that's debated one might argue that white males are most likely to posses/own a gun than any other demographic (another actual fact) and thus with accessibility comes thoughts toward application of as much to end themselves for what ever the reason might be, following a breakdown in mental health status.
    But then comes back comparison to other white males from countries opposite to us where firearms are heavily restricted and/or are not, or have not currently (see the UK), been part of the national fabric as in the US.
    The results though again wind up comparing out to be same, with countries such as Canada even greater (for males in specific). So once more in the end it's not the gun but the man, and his mentality. Something you, me, and a whole mess of people have been preaching for a very long time now toward crime, criminality, criminal victimization, and firearms in the US.

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    So once more in the end it's not the gun but the man, and his mentality. Something you, me, and a whole mess of people have been preaching for a very long time now toward crime, criminality, criminal victimization, and firearms in the US.
    Yeah...everyone but the anti gun fanatics that use the instrument as being responsible for the evil.
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    Another interesting fact is that women with Children are more often to chose shooting themselves in the Chest so that their surviving children may see them and it not scare them. And so they rarely shoot themselves in the head as they want to keep their face intact. They really do think this stuff out even though you wouldn't think they were. It is planned and particularly if they end up using a gun they have probably preferred another method but a gun was simpler and pretty dependable method. I doubt it's very often the first choice on their list but many times it becomes the most efficient method. Even if they have to borrow or buy a gun. They would prefer to not buy one as it might bring suspicion to their plan. They often find a way to get to one any other way. It is simply a tool to them. So, Yes, if a gun is in the home they will tend to use it. So one could argue it it was not there they wouldn't. However they just simply would find another method it appears most times. It is not the object of their goal to be a statistic. It is their goal to end their "pain" in this world. Their rationalization of the world being better off without them... for various (irrational to us) reasons they have concocted in their own mind.

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    CNN; "More than half firearm deaths are suicides"

    From CNN;
    "Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the Centers for Disease Control and Preventio"

    The rest of the story;
    More than half firearm deaths are suicides - CNN.com

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    Yeah---. Try to tell them you just don't use semi-auto pistols to play Russian Roulette.

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    Sorry to be callous........but.....if guns are the 'most effective' means of committing suicide:
    More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies.
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    Why doesn't the left embrace guns? They absolutely loved Dr. Death Kevorkian & assisted suicide. They are also big supporters of abortion. If they are pro-suicide & infanticide.....Why don't they support the firearm as the best & most effective method. At least the rest of us won't have to pay the medical bills like we do for the UNSUCCESSFUL attempts by other means. [/sarcasm]
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    Suicide isn't new! People have been doing it for thousands of years......THAT WON'T CHANGE. The anti's are using it as a 'reason' to eliminate guns......no other purpose. They are being intellectually dishonest if they think that guns are the cause of suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    55% of the news media are lying ,cheating socialist/marxists/pigs that want America to self destruct.
    Hotguns, I have to disagree with that statement. The number is more likely closer to 95%.
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    It's hard to believe that people think taking guns away will stop somebody who is actually intent on ending their own, or somebody else's life.
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    CDC Data for 2005 - WISQARS

    According to the CDC WISQARS reporting of injury and adverse affects-related fatalities, in 2005 ...

    • 2,448,017 people in the USA died, at a rate of 825.9 per 100K population.
    • 176,406 deaths were due to injury or adverse affects. 58.5 per 100K.
    • 51,175 of these 176,406 due to violence-related causes. 29% of injury deaths, or 17.07 per 100K.
    • 18,537 of these 51,175 were due to homicide (10.5% of all injury deaths, or 6.21 per 100K), while 32,637 were due to suicide (10.85 per 100K). This compares to 42,647 (or 14.24 per 100K) who died due to automobile-related injuries.
    • Of all 51,175 homicide/suicide deaths, 29,684 were due to firearm (16.8% of injury deaths, or 9.89 per 100K), with 21,491 (12.2% of injury deaths) due to other causes.
      • This 29,684 firearm-related deaths represents 1.21% of all 2,448,017 deaths in 2005.
      • Removing suicides from the count, since that's not criminal violence in the strictest sense, the number is 18,531 firearm-related deaths due to homicide or "legal intervention," or 0.76% of all deaths.
    • Of the 20 leading causes of injury-related death, this (29,684) ranks just below septicemia (33,831) and above liver disease (27,517).

    1.21% of all deaths were firearm related, with 0.76% being due to homicide (or related to capturing such folks). While a fair number, that's hardly the Chicken Little "sky is falling" 55% being bandied about for political purposes, now, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMan View Post
    This report is making a big jump - Since more than half of all gun deaths are suicides, homes with guns are more likely to have suicides.

    "If a resident has a handgun in the home that he can use for self-defense, then he has a handgun in the home that he can use to commit suicide or engage in acts of domestic violence,"

    ABC News: CDC: 55% of Gun Deaths are Suicides
    If a resident has any body of water more than 1" deep in his home, he can use that to commit suicide. Gotta ban any pool of water greater than 1", then. Sorry, bath lovers.

    If a resident has any length of cord, wire, string, etc. greater than 5" in his home, he can use that to commit suicide. Gotta ban any length of cord or cord-like material greater than 5". Chaining any of those links together with extension cords to make them greater than 5" is illegal.

    If a resident has any chemical substance in his home more harmful than distilled water (that is in no pool greater than 1"!), then that substance can be used to commit suicide, blind, suffocate, poison, tickle, itch, disgust, slime, etc. Ban it.

    Any food substance with portions greater than 0.5" cubes in a home can be used to choke someone to death, intentionally or unintentionally. Further, any food substance with a surface hardness harder than soggy bread can break teeth and cause jaw fatigue. Henceforth, the only acceptable food substance will be bland gruel.

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    I don't think you need a gun to commit suicide if you are really serious just climb over the fence at the lions den in the zoo and whack one in the gonads with a stick
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    Correlation does not infer causation. I think it's that simple.
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    Statistics class taught me that it's very easy to skew any outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    If a resident has any body of water more than 1" deep in his home, he can use that to commit suicide. Gotta ban any pool of water greater than 1", then. Sorry, bath lovers.

    If a resident has any length of cord, wire, string, etc. greater than 5" in his home, he can use that to commit suicide. Gotta ban any length of cord or cord-like material greater than 5". Chaining any of those links together with extension cords to make them greater than 5" is illegal.

    If a resident has any chemical substance in his home more harmful than distilled water (that is in no pool greater than 1"!), then that substance can be used to commit suicide, blind, suffocate, poison, tickle, itch, disgust, slime, etc. Ban it.

    Any food substance with portions greater than 0.5" cubes in a home can be used to choke someone to death, intentionally or unintentionally. Further, any food substance with a surface hardness harder than soggy bread can break teeth and cause jaw fatigue. Henceforth, the only acceptable food substance will be bland gruel.

    Served in bowls less than 1" deep, of course.

    -JT
    Uhm, any roof over 3 feet in height can be used to commit suicide...and I am sure somebody determined could do it from less than 3 feet, so we should ban anything that isn't flat. Heck, people could jump out of trees...we should ban those, too.
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