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    Exclamation BBC: Is knife crime really getting worse?

    By Megan Lane & Brian Wheeler
    BBC News Online Magazine

    Concern about violent crime in Britain has swung back to knives and their availability to children. But has so-called "knife culture" risen while the media's attention has been so fixed on gun crime?

    It's a shopping list likely to send a chill down the spine: kitchen knives, axes, razor sharp "cat skinners" and Ninja-style throwing knives.

    Yet these and other potentially lethal weapons can be easily bought by children, according to a new national survey.

    Almost half of shops tested broke the law by selling knives to children under 16, according to the Trading Standards Institute. And internet traders are even more of a push over because of the anonymity involved in buying something online.

    Former Home Secretary Michael Howard Michael Howard, launching an anti-knife campaign in 1996 Sceptics, however, might comment that it has always been thus. There's nothing new about youngsters seeking to boost their street cred by carrying a blade.

    It used to be the lore of the playground that flick knives - illegal in the UK - could be effortlessly picked up across the Channel (and so retained a status as the ultimate souvenir from a French exchange trip).

    So are we really witnessing a rise in so-called "knife culture" or is the recent coverage afforded to the issue in newspapers just a spot of media hysteria?

    Evidence shows knife seizures are on the increase. The number of people convicted of carrying a blade in public rose from 2,559 in 1995 to 3,570 in 2000, according to the Home Office.

    Reports from hospital A&E departments indicate a rise in stab wounds, particularly among young men aged between 14 and 25.

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    One expert with street-level experience is convinced more young people are arming themselves with knives these days.

    Everybody goes to the market and buys kitchen knives - they say they want to use them in the kitchen, but they don't Youth club member, John "We are seeing more and more stab wounds - even five years ago, these were pretty rare. Young males in particular are carrying knives on a daily basis, and if they carry them, they use them," says John Heyworth, of the British Association for Accident and Emergency Medicine.

    Those young men are often of school age, according to a survey by the Youth Justice Board this year. It found that of the crimes committed by young people, carrying a knife was the most common offence among children excluded from school (62%).

    Undoubtedly, the problem is a predominantly urban one. Julie Jacobs, of the Streatham Youth Centre in south London, says some young people begin to carry knives from about the age of 11, when they first begin to venture out of their home patch.

    Cyclone knife A 'cyclone knife', bought online "There is a sense that they need some sort of protection. It is a turf thing, a territory thing, but I don't think it is getting any worse."

    So have youngsters themselves seen a rise in knife brandishing?

    John, a 17-year-old at the Charter House Youth Club, in Southwark, London, believes the problem is "getting worse" although he does not know anyone who carries a knife.

    He was once been threatened by three boys with kitchen knives, while on a bus.

    "They were trying to jack me. They wanted my mobile phone and my money. There is nothing that can be done about people getting hold of knives. Everybody goes to the market and buys kitchen knives. They say they want to use them in the kitchen, but they don't."

    Suspended from school

    One 14-year-old from Peckham thinks there's a lot of bluster from kids trying to appear harder than they are.

    Comb concealing a blade Hidden in a comb - concealed blades are easily available "I know people who brag about carrying knives. They say they have a great big butcher's knife. People say silly things."

    He says a boy at his school was suspended after a knife was found in his bag. But generally, he says, the situation is getting better at his school.

    "Maybe one day out of seven someone will say 'give me you money' or something, but I never have been threatened with a knife."

    Of those that do brandish a blade, many justify it as in the interests of "self defence", says Unun Seshmi, who runs a charity called Boyhood to Manhood which is dedicated to steering young black people away from crime.

    "They are walking around in fear of being stabbed. They feel there is nobody there to protect them. They don't want to go to the police. But they don't want to use the knife either."
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    The British need to reclaim their country and their rights.
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    England. The up and coming socialist country. Fist it was the guns. Next will be the knives.
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    Next up, ball-point pen regulation, and a ban on scissors outside the home and kindergarten.
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    Don't forget curtain rods. Those would be wicked, if swung hard, what with all those little hook-like thingies on 'em.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Might as well go after open windows above the first floor, rocks, paperweights, letter openers, corkscrews, keys,etc. The world has gone nuts.

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    pots and pans as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natureboypkr View Post
    pots and pans as well
    I don't know what Gordon Ramsey would do with a temper and no pots or pans,I guess no more"Hells Kitchen"
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    LiveLeak.com - Shocking Knife Crime Vid Airs In The UK.

    here is the new English ad service warning against knives.
    Pretty soon England will ban sticks, stones and kitchen utensils
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    Quote Originally Posted by houndawg75 View Post
    Might as well go after open windows above the first floor, rocks, paperweights, letter openers, corkscrews, keys,etc. The world has gone nuts.
    The fearful, short-sighted "leaders" of some countries have, certainly. Though, what exactly they hope to achieve with such bans isn't what's advertised. They can't really believe that banning an item will lead to its non-use. It's simply not possible to be that stupid. I can only surmise that total control of the population is the goal. It's going to backfire, at some point. It's inevitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duisburg View Post
    LiveLeak.com - Shocking Knife Crime Vid Airs In The UK.

    here is the new English ad service warning against knives.
    Pretty soon England will ban sticks, stones and kitchen utensils

    *Intense black screen* "Cook with canola oil and you could be burned by your own grease."


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    This should be a good lesson for the brits. Hopefully they will eventually learn that allowing such items including firearms is better all around.


    The criminal will always find an innovative way if he can't have his way.


    The guys in the UK now have knives that literally explode when you stab someone. Its not an explosion in the sense of a big boom, but when you stab someone with it, it freeze your organs. Its pretty insane to say the least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forscythe87 View Post
    The guys in the UK now have knives that literally explode when you stab someone. Its not an explosion in the sense of a big boom, but when you stab someone with it, it freeze your organs. Its pretty insane to say the least!
    you talking about the WASP knife that injects about a cubic foot of CO2 into whatever it stabs and was designed for use as shark protection?

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