Verbal Assault - it's a crime - NO REALLY!

Verbal Assault - it's a crime - NO REALLY!

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    Verbal Assault - it's a crime - NO REALLY!

    So yesterday night my wife and I talked about Christian Bale's arrest on allegations of assault. Today I looked up some articles to try and find some details... and boy did I find some details!

    Evidently in England there are two types of assault, physical and verbal!

    Is it something in the water over there?

    Here is the article that mentions verbal assault.

    (sic) There are also reports circulating that Bale was arrested for verbal assault. In England, there are two classes of verbal assault, Class 4 and Class 5. Class 4 is more aggravated than 5, with "an intent to cause alarm." (sic)
    Assault in the U.S.:

    Assault in England:

    Any questions?
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    Assault can be verbal in the U.S., as well. The ADA covered that very point in the class where I renewed my CHL this past weekend.

    Here's the subsection from the Texas Penal Code:

    § 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if
    the person:
    (1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
    (2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
    (3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

    For example, if a husband says to his wife, "If you talk back to me again, I'm going to beat you to a pulp!", he's committed assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Assault can be verbal in the U.S., as well. The ADA covered that very point in the class where I renewed my CHL this past weekend.

    Here's the subsection from the Texas Penal Code:

    § 22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if
    the person:
    (1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;
    (2) intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person's spouse; or
    (3) intentionally or knowingly causes physical contact with another when the person knows or should reasonably believe that the other will regard the contact as offensive or provocative.

    For example, if a husband says to his wife, "If you talk back to me again, I'm going to beat you to a pulp!", he's committed assault.
    I'd have never guessed.... out here we call that malicious harassment. I've never heard of someone being charged with assault for saying something... learn somethin' new every day.
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    In the U.S., verbal assault is often charged as disorderly conduct.

    Sometimes it's charged as terroristic threats.


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    One element of the crime is that the person you threaten has to feel threatened by the statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    One element of the crime is that the person you threaten has to feel threatened by the statement
    Right, it has to be taken in context.

    Example 1: You're playing cards with friends. A buddy laughingly says to you, "If you draw a king, I'll kick your ***!" No assault.

    Example 2: You unknowingly cut somebody off while pulling into the gas station. The guy, big and mean-looking, approaches you while angrily yelling, "You cut me off, you . I'll kick your ***!"
    Assault. You retreat into the store and call 911. He waits by your car for you to come out. Even though he didn't hit you, it's still assault. If he had shown a deadly weapon, it would be aggravated assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 762 View Post
    soon our thoughts will be crimes too.
    You mean something like 'Minority Report'?



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    I was always taught: Assault = Verbal threats - Battery = physical touching!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    I was always taught: Assault = Verbal threats - Battery = physical touching!
    Depends on the state, generally speaking, you are correct though.

    Here we call assaults menacing and battery's assaults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Depends on the state, generally speaking, you are correct though.

    Here we call assaults menacing and battery's assaults.
    That is what threw me for a loop. We have harassment (verbal), and assault (physical). There are no battery charges in WA but I thought (for some dumb reason) that battery was just a severe assault. Silly me.
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    Bump and thump car stereos hurt me, I can feel it. If I can feel it and it hurts, then it is assault, right?
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    This is an excellent example of reasonable restriction of rights. We have the right to free speech but if you verbally threaten the President you will be (hopefully) quickly arrested.

    I am surprised that anyone would have a problem with a law against verbal assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post

    I am surprised that anyone would have a problem with a law against verbal assault.
    I only took issue with it because in my neck of the woods assault means to put hands on - the equivalent of assault and battery elsewhere. It seemed ridiculous to lump verbal threats in with battery, but that was my mistake and I stand corrected as noted previously.
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