There's Something About Mary: Unmasking a Gun Lobby Mole (merged)

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    There's Something About Mary: Unmasking a Gun Lobby Mole (merged)

    NEWS: Mary McFate was a prominent gun control activist. Mary Lou Sapone was a freelance spy with an NRA connection. They are the same person. A Mother Jones investigation.

    By James Ridgeway, Daniel Schulman, and David Corn

    July 30, 2008

    Unmasking a Gun Lobby Mole

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    How do we know she is not a double agent??

    Working for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    How do we know she is not a double agent??

    Working for them?
    A legitimate concern but perhaps overshadowed by the fact that she worked for the NRA, and corporations trying to guard against activists, while volunteering for the activists.

    I can't tell you how tempting it's been to all of us in the CorpSec world but this is exactly why we avoid such behavior.
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    I think the Mole needs a hole.

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    Sounds like she did a good job.....Maybe the CIA should have sent her to find WMDs in Iraq.
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    I find it funny how the antis are afraid of giving away their secrets...like banning all guns and ammunition for everyone except police and military....oooh boy! there are some state secrets!
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    Maybe she helped them develope the Florida welcome sign that says people here have guns and use deadly force
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    Of course we all know that the anti's are above using a mole to further their agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Of course we all know that the anti's are above using a mole to further their agenda.
    Tu Quoque

    No excuse... but you are probably right.
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    NRA spy, or propaganda?

    NRA accused of paying mole in gun-control groups - CNN.com
    PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A gun-control activist who championed the cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two antiviolence groups is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National Rifle Association, and now those organizations are expelling her and sweeping their offices for bugs.
    Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, says he feels betrayed by Mary Lou McFate.

    Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, says he feels betrayed by Mary Lou McFate.

    The suggestion that Mary Lou McFate was a double agent is contained in a deposition filed as part of a contract dispute involving a security firm. The muckraking magazine Mother Jones, in a story last week, was the first to report on McFate's alleged dual identity.

    The NRA refused to comment to the magazine and did not respond to calls Tuesday from The Associated Press. Nor did McFate.

    The 62-year-old former flight attendant and sex counselor from Sarasota, Florida, is not new to the world of informants.

    She infiltrated an animal-rights group in the late 1980s at the request of U.S. Surgical, and befriended an activist who was later convicted in a pipe bomb attack against the medical-supply business, U.S. Surgical acknowledged in news reports at the time. U.S. Surgical had come under fire for using dogs for research and training.

    McFate resurfaced in Pennsylvania and has since spent years as an unpaid board member of CeaseFirePA and an organization called States United to Prevent Gun Violence. She also twice pushed unsuccessfully to join the board of the nation's largest gun-control group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    "It raises some real concerns with the tactics of the NRA. If they've got one person, maybe they have more. If they've done this dirty trick, what else have they done?" said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, which planned to search its offices for listening devices and computer spyware.

    The Brady Campaign and other groups said they are also researching whether McFate's alleged spying constituted a crime.

    "Under some circumstances, it could be trespass," said Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, California, and a former prosecutor. But "if they're open meetings, it may be underhanded and sneaky; it may not be illegal."

    At States United, McFate served as federal legislation director, meeting with members of Congress on Capitol Hill and writing letters. Over the years, she also stuffed envelopes, attended rallies and took part in conference calls and strategy sessions.

    In retrospect, Helmke said, he now realizes McFate stopped by the Washington office for meetings and conference calls that could have been handled by phone, and perhaps pushed too hard to join the board or lobby Congress.

    But as for any secrets she might have been privy to, the gun-control groups said they have little to hide, since they put their message and information about their budgets on the Web.

    The allegations against McFate stem from a lawsuit brought against officials with Beckett Brown International, a now-defunct security firm based in Maryland. A former beer distributor who bankrolled the firm accused them of defrauding him.

    Boxes of documents filed in the dispute reveal that McFate worked as a subcontractor for Beckett Brown and that the firm's clients included the NRA. And they show that McFate billed the firm for unspecified intelligence-gathering services, submitting among other things a request for a $4,500-a-month retainer in 1999.

    The documents also reveal that McFate -- that is her maiden name; her married name is Mary Lou Sapone -- tried to get her daughter-in-law, Montgomery Sapone, hired by Beckett Brown. Montgomery Sapone worked as an intern at Brady Campaign headquarters in 2003, the gun-control group said.

    John Dodd III, the Maryland beer distributor who bankrolled Beckett Brown, told the AP he did not condone the infiltration of activist groups.

    Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, said he feels betrayed by McFate. Miller's brother, an FBI agent, was shot to death in 1994.

    "To have somebody that I consider a friend, have been with dozens of times, shared meals with, treated as a friend, to have her be an employee, a subcontracted spy for the NRA, is just mind-boggling. It's so venal," Miller said. "In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we're at a constant disadvantage because we're honest."

    Timothy Ward, a former Beckett Brown principal who said in a sworn statement that McFate worked for the firm, declined comment Tuesday through a person who answered the phone at his new company, Chesapeake Strategies Group. The NRA now uses that firm for intelligence-gathering, another Chesapeake official said in a deposition.

    The CeaseFirePA leadership plans a vote Friday on whether to expel McFate, a board member for seven years.

    "I feel flattered that the NRA would feel that they would have to infiltrate CeaseFire of PA. Obviously, they're hearing our footsteps," said Phil Goldsmith, the group's president. "Frankly, I think it's a waste of their money. We don't deal in state secrets."

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    When is the book deal finalized?

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    The NRA should leak a memo saying this case puts all of their moles at risk and to be careful contacting them to avoid exposing them, only use certain code words in e-mails such as: XXXX or WWWW or ssss etc, etc.

    Just before the leak send out emails to high placed people in the anti-gun movement with the codewords. Then sit back and watch as they stab each other in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    The NRA should leak a memo saying this case puts all of their moles at risk and to be careful contacting them to avoid exposing them, only use certain code words in e-mails such as: XXXX or WWWW or ssss etc, etc.

    Just before the leak send out emails to high placed people in the anti-gun movement with the codewords. Then sit back and watch as they stab each other in the back.
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