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    Firefighters dodge bullets in barn blaze

    Daily Freeman - Firefighters dodge bullets in barn blaze

    PINE PLAINS - Firefighters were forced to watch as a storage barn burned Saturday, prevented from immediately going after the fire because of bullets exploding inside the building, according to Pine Plains Assistant Fire Chief Robert Mizgier.

    Firefighters responded to a 911 report of a barn on fire, and arrived at the storage building at 34 Mount Ross Road about five minutes before noon. The barn was already fully ablaze when firefighters arrived, and Mizgier said that as they approached, they heard a series of pops and bangs - exploding ammunition that was stored in the building.

    "We had to wait until they stopped going off before we went in and attacked the fire," Mizgier said. He estimated that it was 15 or 20 minutes before they were able to safely approach.

    The response drew 10 fire engines in total. Several fire companies participated in beating back the blaze. Milan contributed an engine, Stanfordville brought a tanker and Livingston came with an engine and a rescue truck. Firefighters from Millerton were on standby at the Pine Plains Fire Station. The Pine Plains Rescue Squad and Northern Dutchess Paramedics were also at the scene.

    One firefighter was taken to Northern Dutchess Hospital and treated for chest pains. Two others were treated on the scene for heat-related injuries. None of the injuries were serious, Mizgier said.

    The fire spread throughout the building from a wood stove, where the building's owner, Zebulon Taintor, was burning papers.

    Firefighters were on the scene until about 4 p.m., Mizgier said. The building was a total loss, and Mizgier said that it took some time to conduct an extensive overhaul, picking through the wreckage and "putting out hot spots." An excavator from Duffy Layton Contracting was called in to help with the cleanup.

    Besides bullets, the barn was also used for storing books.

    "When we started sifting through, there were books everywhere," Mizgier said.
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    Gonna be a hot time at the old barn tonight yeeha bullets going off will make ya kick up your heels a little higher
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    Mizgier apparently doesn't know what he is doing. Unless he thought there were loaded firearms in the barn (not stated), then he should have known that the bullets posed extremely little threat to the firefighters. The bullets weren't going anywhere. The cases may have been flying around, but without much force. Bunker gear would have been excellent protection (and is) against flying cases.
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    Bullets don't explode. Bullets are a chunk of lead or lead & copper, neither of which is explosive. Cartridges will cook off in a fire, but since there is no closed chamber or barrel to contain them, they won't do anything except burst and burn.

    Why is this so hard for journalists (and professional firefighters, in this case) to understand?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post

    Why is this so hard for journalists (and professional firefighters, in this case) to understand?
    I'm willing to bet most of the firemen know this, however it only takes the one wearing the white coat to not know it, and it appears that they all dont.
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    General Hatcher proved that the cooking off of rounds in a fire was not a problem in the early 1900s when a man tried to blame the bullet hole between his wife's eyes on a .45 round in the pot belly stove that their child supposedly threw in there. He found out that the round wouldn't even penetrate a cardboard box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Bullets don't explode. Bullets are a chunk of lead or lead & copper, neither of which is explosive. Cartridges will cook off in a fire, but since there is no closed chamber or barrel to contain them, they won't do anything except burst and burn.

    Why is this so hard for journalists (and professional firefighters, in this case) to understand?
    That's what I was thinking. I've seen idiots toss live rounds into a fire and they just popped...of course most didn't stick around to watch. That was decades ago...stupid kid stuff!
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    yeah but they don't know if he's got any gunpowder stored in containers that when it gets hit with fire goes kaboom
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    yeah but they don't know if he's got any gunpowder stored in containers that when it gets hit with fire goes kaboom
    Smokeless propellant won't go "kaboom", it'll just burn.

    Black powder is a whole other story, however...


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I'm willing to bet most of the firemen know this, however it only takes the one wearing the white coat to not know it, and it appears that they all dont.
    You hit the nail on the head! Believe me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Smokeless propellant won't go "kaboom", it'll just burn.

    Black powder is a whole other story, however...
    Yes, you're right, and black powder IS definitely a whole other story. Think pipe bombs and the idiots who make, or tried to make them.
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    Another one covered by MythBusters, as well. There is some small danger from rounds cooking off, but it is shrapnel from the exploding brass cases. Could probably cause some injuries out to a few feet, but probably not through a fireman's protective gear.

    Still, for all you know the barn-owner could be a black-powder enthusiast. If I am the firefighter and I know there's nobody in the building, I am not sure I'd be in a real hurry to rush inside...
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