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    Anyone catch this one? I think I might be in the wrong state...time to move to OK

    Oklahoma Rebellion by Walter Williams -- Capitalism Magazine
    Oklahoma Rebellion
    by Walter Williams (July 16, 2008)

    One of the unappreciated casualties of the War of 1861, erroneously called a Civil War, was its contribution to the erosion of constitutional guarantees of state sovereignty. It settled the issue of secession, making it possible for the federal government to increasingly run roughshod over Ninth and 10th Amendment guarantees. A civil war, by the way, is a struggle where two or more parties try to take over the central government. Confederate President Jefferson Davis no more wanted to take over Washington, D.C., than George Washington wanted to take over London. Both wars are more properly described as wars of independence.

    Oklahomans are trying to recover some of their lost state sovereignty by House Joint Resolution 1089, introduced by State Rep. Charles Key.

    The resolution's language, in part, reads: "Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.'; and Whereas, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and whereas, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and Whereas, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives and the Senate of the 2nd session of the 51st Oklahoma Legislature: that the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States. That this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."

    Key's resolution passed in the Oklahoma House of Representatives with a 92 to 3 vote, but it reached a bottleneck in the Senate where it languished until adjournment. However, Key plans to reintroduce the measure when the legislature reconvenes.

    Federal usurpation goes beyond anything the Constitution's framers would have imagined. James Madison, explaining the constitution, in Federalist Paper 45, said, "The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people." Thomas Jefferson emphasized that the states are not "subordinate" to the national government, but rather the two are "coordinate departments of one simple and integral whole. The one is the domestic, the other the foreign branch of the same government."

    Both parties and all branches of the federal government have made a mockery of the checks and balances, separation of powers and the republican form of government envisioned by the founders. One of the more disgusting sights for me to is to watch a president, congressman or federal judge take an oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution, when in reality they either hold constitutional principles in contempt or they are ignorant of those principles.

    State efforts, such as Oklahoma's, create a glimmer of hope that one day Americans and their elected representatives will realize that the federal government is the creation of the states. A bit of rebellion by officials in other states will speed that process along.
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

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    God bless Oklahoma.

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    Of course even if that resolution passed, there would be no way to make it stick--even if doing that were actually desirable, which I doubt.

    And, the FINAL decision on whether or not OK could take back its sovereign rights, would be made by the same 9 justices so many here think have no right to make such a decision.

    And, the conservatives on the bench are quite unlikely to do anything whatsoever to weaken Federal powers--as they believe in a "unitary" presidency, and mostly seem to want to grant that office too many powers (exceptions here and there of course.)

    So, that's an interesting story Pachinova posted, and not without some merit would the OK house vote that way, but it is fantasy land legislation, meaning nothing--- and The OK Senate rightly decided to ignore it.

    Some things just ain't gonna happen.

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    Great article by Walter Williams... I like listening when he fills in for Rush on the radio. He's a professor of economics at George Mason University.

    Very knowledgeable and articulate speaker.
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    Come on down!! It's a great place...if you can take the heat and humdity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrin33 View Post
    Come on down!! It's a great place...if you can take the heat and humdity.
    Go for it Oklahoma...

    We already have the heat and humidity...it's your tornadoes I would worry about.
    At least the hurricanes give us a much longer warning.

    I could enjoy the idea of being rural and shooting off of the front or back porch.
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    Well, after reading the thread here:
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...-oklahoma.html

    I officially retract any and all statements about any desires I may or may not have had in regards to moving to Oklahoma. They can keep their crummy state. Hmm....I wonder if we can ship Kaine over there. Seems like he would fit right in.
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    ... They can keep their crummy state. Hmm....I wonder if we can ship Kaine over there. Seems like he would fit right in.

    Hummmm...you can keep your opinion. OK is a great state...not perfect like VA of course, wink,...but a great state nevertheless. Regardless, I'm sure there are plenty of spears to throw at VA...stay within your boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    Hummmm...you can keep your opinion. OK is a great state...not perfect like VA of course, wink,...but a great state nevertheless. Regardless, I'm sure there are plenty of spears to throw at VA...stay within your boundaries.

    Rick
    Heh...agreed. Hence my comment about kaine. We need to export that fool post haste.
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the crap out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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