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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post


    and the wheels of big machine keep on turning...
    true enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Actually, it does matter.

    1) They're not in Arizona, so none of your comments about Arizona law are germane. If you know something about the Colorado law, then that would be applicable to the discussion.

    2) There's nothing to indicate that anyone's business was disrupted.

    3) If it's a public area, they will have to show that there was some disruption or traffic hazard or danger to public welfare or disturbance of the peace. In other words, an applicable law with an applicable offense.

    4) There's no law against taking a picture of someone, especially in the case of a public figure.
    Not only that, but who says the "commands" were "lawful" from the officer? That still remains to be seen. We're still just getting media reports. I'd wait until I see what comes of a trial.

    From my point of view, If an officers commands are contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America or the State Constitution with which he is located, his commands are not lawful and therefore null and void. It's a rather disturbing trend lately that so many seem to be of the opinion that whatever someone in "power" says, must be lawful, and must be followed no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I'm a little confused...

    Was this sidewalk in Denver, or Moscow?
    Apparently they're rapidly becoming similar...Moscow has the KGB. Denver and well, the rest of the US has the DNC.
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    He shoulda been at a motel 6 they keep the lights on ,not knock your lights out
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    From my point of view, If an officers commands are contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America or the State Constitution with which he is located, his commands are not lawful and therefore null and void.
    So, if you deem the command to be unlawful then you will willfully disobey. Good luck with that strategy.

    It's a rather disturbing trend lately that so many seem to be of the opinion that whatever someone in "power" says, must be lawful, and must be followed no matter what.
    It is no trend. It is respect for the law and respect for those empowered to enforce the law. It has been common adult behavior for centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Of course you notice that CBS and NBC weren't there; they have been busy giving the Dems all the free press they want.
    ABC was doing a story on the big donors meeting with congressmen in the hotel. Obviously, the word was put out to squash this video and the police were more than happy to do so. Let's face it, they didn't want you to see who your congressman was taking money from. In the long run, you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    So, if you deem the command to be unlawful then you will willfully disobey. Good luck with that strategy.



    It is no trend. It is respect for the law and respect for those empowered to enforce the law. It has been common adult behavior for centuries.
    Heh...getting beheaded by a king for speaking your mind was common adult behavior for centuries too! Didn't make it any more right.
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    from what I understand, there were signs posted by the hotel indicating that nobody was to remain in front of the hotel as marked, tresspassing signs were posted, all in an effort to keep the area clear and not create problems for guests leaving/arriving
    the guy was asked to leave by the security guard and got smart mouth with the guard, he didn't comply with a lawful request so he broke the law
    it wouldn't have mattered if it was a news person or not, he acted like an idiot and broke the law

    "Asa Eslocker was arrested on charges of interference, trespass and failure to obey a lawful order.

    Authorities said Eslocker repeatedly had been told to stop blocking a sidewalk and an entrance to Denver's Brown Palace Hotel. He wasn't arrested until three hours after the first warning, police said.

    ABC said Eslocker and a film crew were trying to photograph senators and donors for a story on the role of corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors at the convention. "
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    Reports are that the hotel has admitted they don't own the sidewalk. Sort of puts the whole "trespassing" case in jeopardy, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Reports are that the hotel has admitted they don't own the sidewalk. Sort of puts the whole "trespassing" case in jeopardy, eh?
    Reports? Link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    Reports are that the hotel has admitted they don't own the sidewalk. Sort of puts the whole "trespassing" case in jeopardy, eh?
    No, not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Reports? Link?
    Link

    Link (just an update, no comment attributed to The Brown Palace)

    This is from an email purportedly from The Brown Palace's public relations manager: (link here)
    It is our understanding that ABC continued to speak belligerently to the police and were arrested for not complying with police orders. The arrest resulted from issues between the police and ABC, not The Brown Palace Hotel.
    If this email is authentic, I think it shows that everyone involved knows this arrest is questionable at best. The Denver police are pointing their finger at The Brown Palace:
    A police official later told lawyers for ABC News that Eslocker is being charged with trespass, interference, and failure to follow a lawful order. He also said the arrest followed a signed complaint from the Brown Palace
    and The Brown Palace is pointing their finger at the Denver police. This could get really interesting.

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    Even the Brown Palace hotel has now acknowledged that the sidewalks are public property.
    Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Pathetic.

    Civil rights groups also reacted today saying Eslocker's arrest is the latest in a series of incidents at the DNC that exemplify an assault on the First Amendment.
    Insert "Second Amendment" in place of "First," and I doubt the same groups would lift a finger to claim it is what it is. A sad hypocrisy.

    If the ACLU would exert HALF the effort to defend the People's right to defense via the ownership and carrying of firearms, we'd being doing well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Statement by the American Civil Liberties Union
    "That free speech is curtailed during the Democratic National Convention underscores the need for continued protection of civil liberties, regardless of the party in power."
    The same can be said for the ability of a citizen to go about his/her daily life unmolested, with all 2A protections in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Pathetic.

    If the ACLU would exert HALF the effort to defend the People's right to defense via the ownership and carrying of firearms, we'd being doing well.
    The same can be said for the ability of a citizen to go about his/her daily life unmolested, with all 2A protections in place.
    I wonder what would happen if many 2 A proponents made donations to the ACLU and made it clear that they are giving their donations in the hope that the organization will consider fighting for this too?

    Any organization with limited resources must necessarily choose its battles. So, I can't fault them if they prefer to deal with other issues.

    Maybe if they saw some support from a community like this they would take up the cause?

    We know where Bob Barr stands on 2A and so it is not inconceivable that 2A issues might at some point be advocated.

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