Not humorous, more about the economy

Not humorous, more about the economy

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    Not humorous, more about the economy

    Well, the plant where I work laid off 100 associates this past Tuesday. Some good, dedicated workers are hitting the employment security offices this week. Just before the holidays too. Some of the large companies we contract to are lowering their inventory toward end of the year in order to keep cash or liquid assets in order to gain stocks at rock bottom prices.

    All this soon after many long term associates had watched their 401K plans take a nose dive in the past month and loose 60-70% of their worth. I may be next in line if the first quarter of next year doesn't pan out with the economy. Me? I'm more versatile than some in the job market, but moving gets old the older we get, and one can never get used to that. It's rough and stressful to say the least. I've seen other posts on the forum here about lay-offs, their effects, the worry.

    When I worked construction, we always knew when a lay off was in the works. This one was a surprise to me, and I'm sure a vital strike to those who went. Our plant manager made a speech to all who remained, about how it all came about, and a slight projection into the future. I learned of this Wednesday since my schedule is different than others. Me and my remaining department were handed vouchers toward the purchase of our Thanksgiving turkeys after that meeting. Those who got laid off did not receive those vouchers from what I had learned after the fact from a dear friend who was part of the lay off.

    They did apparently get paid hours for showing up the day of the cutting process. It's getting closer to home for me, and I feel badly for those without work now. I know it's a bad time of year to be looking. I've been there a few times myself. The thing I'd like the forum to think about right now, is to be thankful for what you have. I know I am. Secondly, I'd ask those who would pray for those less fortunate at this time of year to do so with all your heart. Thirdly, please don't be selfish this year.........while some of us are thinking about stocking up on ammo, the hi-cap magazines, saving a hundred dollars or so on the AR-15 purchase.....some are very worried about their future, their home, the holidays, their children, their very existence as a medium or low income family. Give to a charity. You know you can make it tax deductible, but just simply give.

    You may be worried about your survival in the future, about guns, about laws. Some folk right now don't even come close to worrying about such things. More worried about making a house payment, more worried about meals, car payments, Christmas for a child, or several. Just stop and think about it for a moment. There's no need to reply to this thread unless you feel it absolutely necessary, but please find it in your heart, your community, or your church to help some of those less fortunate at this time of year, because there are going to be many more of them than before. I plan on helping out those in need this year. And for those who would even think that those who are doing without, are doing so of their own choice, I'll pray for you as well. May God bless, and I do hope that EVERYONE has a HAPPY THANKSGIVING.


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    ^ Good post, and very true.

    With the past election and all the panic gun buying, I fear that some will be purchasing things, where money would be spent better elsewhere or saved for future hardship.

    Even though I feel that the economy was out of whack and needed adjustment, those with the least cause for its downturn are going to be the ones to pay during the recovery.
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    Good post, Ram Rod. It's a sad story, and a great reminder to some.

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    A very thoughtful post, Ram Rod.
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    Indeed, and sad

    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    ^ Good post, and very true.

    Even though I feel that the economy was out of whack and needed adjustment, those with the least cause for its downturn are going to be the ones to pay during the recovery.
    Yes, it is almost always the weakest in a company, those with the least influence, and those who made none of the business decisions, who pay the price when things go down.

    That is why I tend to vote my economic interests ahead of social issues. Afghanistan, guns, abortion, blue/red, and many other contentious issues are of no significance to those who can not feed themselves, house themselves, or get medical care.

    We are approaching 7% unemployment. Though that is not historically anywhere near a high, here is what it means. Look at 15 of your neighbors. One of them is out of work.

    I'm fearful that in this present climate, and especially with the flip flops on the derivatives market buy back plan, this will rapidly rise to 10% by mid-January. I take it as a given that GM or Ford or all three, are going down.

    Something really really bad is happening to our economy, and too too many innocent ordinary people who had nothing to do with making the mess are going to be hurt. Pity the children.

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    The cuts were salaried and hourly. The actual statistics, I wouldn't know. College educated, and the manual labor. Worst part about it, I've already heard talk of the company using temporary services to fill the gaps the top brass have now created. I'm rather torn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Yes, it is almost always the weakest in a company, those with the least influence, and those who made none of the business decisions, who pay the price when things go down.

    That is why I tend to vote my economic interests ahead of social issues. Afghanistan, guns, abortion, blue/red, and many other contentious issues are of no significance to those who can not feed themselves, house themselves, or get medical care.

    We are approaching 7% unemployment. Though that is not historically anywhere near a high, here is what it means. Look at 15 of your neighbors. One of them is out of work.

    I'm fearful that in this present climate, and especially with the flip flops on the derivatives market buy back plan, this will rapidly rise to 10% by mid-January. I take it as a given that GM or Ford or all three, are going down.

    Something really really bad is happening to our economy, and too too many innocent ordinary people who had nothing to do with making the mess are going to be hurt. Pity the children.
    Something really really bad? You make it sound as if it's falling to some unknown illness. The only thing happening to the market...we're letting it happen and NONE of us are innocent because we've all set back and watched it happen, allowing the moochers and looters of society to take over. The only thing that's going to fix it is to drum up support, ax this asinine government and fix it(ie start over sans any intervention). The only really really bad thing happening to "our" economy is what we've allowed to happen, that and the fact that it's not "our" economy any more. It belongs to a collective of socialist idiots known as government.

    I make pretty good money, and even with that being the case for the moment, I'm really worried I might not be able to pay the bills soon. My company has already laid off half the workforce and now they're forcing those of us left to take all our "PTO" from like dec 23rd - Jan5th to save them money. So we're thinking that's kinda like the diversion until they "can" another half of what's left after the new year. Our team is already effectively skeleton crew.
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    I just layed into a coworker the other day for bitching about overtime being cut. I had to remind him that we happen to be as secure as secure gets in our employment, be happy about that. The overtime is just that.

    I've never had the misfortune of being layed off, even when I was younger working construction through college. I couldnt imagine facing that with a family to take care of.

    I have a friend who lost his job a few months ago, due to no fault of his own. He has to be out of his house the second week in December with a wife and four kids. Our circle got together paid the security for a rental home and we are helping with his rent. Times are as tough as I ever have seen them.
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    I have this ominus feeling that we aint seen "tough" yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Something really really bad? You make it sound as if it's falling to some unknown illness. The only thing happening to the market...we're letting it happen and NONE of us are innocent because we've all set back and watched it happen, allowing the moochers and looters of society to take over. The only thing that's going to fix it is to drum up support, ax this asinine government and fix it(ie start over sans any intervention). The only really really bad thing happening to "our" economy is what we've allowed to happen, that and the fact that it's not "our" economy any more. It belongs to a collective of socialist idiots known as government.

    I make pretty good money, and even with that being the case for the moment, I'm really worried I might not be able to pay the bills soon. My company has already laid off half the workforce and now they're forcing those of us left to take all our "PTO" from like dec 23rd - Jan5th to save them money. So we're thinking that's kinda like the diversion until they "can" another half of what's left after the new year. Our team is already effectively skeleton crew.
    Well, the fact is, even though I'm still currently employed, my department is also going to deal with some "mandatory days off" from our regular schedule. At least this lets me plan a little bit in advance..as much as I am able. I have no vacation or PTO days left for this year.

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    Here's to ya Jimmy, Bill, Nancy, Barney, Franklin, Harry, Rahm et. al..

    You can't help but wonder about the timing of this mess and how certain folk care more about partisan politics than their very own constituents.

    I truly wish I could push a button and cleanse and purge.

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    Anway, back on topic. My family doesn't exchange gifts at Christmas anymore, except for the kiddies. We just donate to charity instead and enjoy spending time with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Yes, it is almost always the weakest in a company, those with the least influence, and those who made none of the business decisions, who pay the price when things go down.

    That is why I tend to vote my economic interests ahead of social issues. Afghanistan, guns, abortion, blue/red, and many other contentious issues are of no significance to those who can not feed themselves, house themselves, or get medical care.

    We are approaching 7% unemployment. Though that is not historically anywhere near a high, here is what it means. Look at 15 of your neighbors. One of them is out of work.

    I'm fearful that in this present climate, and especially with the flip flops on the derivatives market buy back plan, this will rapidly rise to 10% by mid-January. I take it as a given that GM or Ford or all three, are going down.

    Something really really bad is happening to our economy, and too too many innocent ordinary people who had nothing to do with making the mess are going to be hurt. Pity the children.
    The unemployment rate.....not even close. Self employed cant file. Theres not extensions anymore, once you file and your time is up its done. used to be able to get extensions. I've been looking for work for a while, can't seem to find anything because the people with all the education and experience for the big $ jobs lost their jobs so their way over qualified for low $ jobs and the employers take them. Sucks, had more motivation then most people could dream about. We slowed way down little over 2 yrs ago (electrician) when the housing started to go down... some days I dont know how I get out of bed, search for work everyday, once in a while find a little job..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    Well, the fact is, even though I'm still currently employed, my department is also going to deal with some "mandatory days off" from our regular schedule. At least this lets me plan a little bit in advance..as much as I am able. I have no vacation or PTO days left for this year.
    Yep I'm in the same boat. We're basically supposed to take around 9 or 10 days pto and I've only got 3 left(I'm relatively new so I haven't had time to acrue much more than that). Which means I'm probably going unpaid for at least 5 of them(figure I'll have 2 more days acrued by then).
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    Bad news for sure. In the current environment, there are looming lay offs.
    In our daily meeting Monday, we were told to expect layoffs, and more work. Just a bit confusing, but perhaps a management ploy to instill fear of your livelyhood.
    Work harder, faster!
    I understand the American work force is rather efficient. Apparently, not efficient enough.
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    I also have a ominous and foreboding feeling about the times ahead, I believe it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I'm self employed and my work is down by 70%. RamRod is right we need to look out for and help if we can our neighbors that are in need. If I knew of a neighbor close to me that was hungry or cold this winter I would help regardless of there political views. (as long as they weren't rabbit anti-gun Brady bunchers)
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